Boston & Maine 8850 Series Gondola Cars

Index

Builder's Photo
Classification Card(s) for series
Specifications
ORER data
ORER Notes
Discussion, General Notes
ICC Valuation Data
Paint Schemes
References
Photographs
Renumberings/Conversions/Dispositions
Modeling
Revision History of this page

Builder's Photo

Does one exist?

B&M Classification Card(s)

Does one exist?

Specifications From Classification Cards

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ORER data and numbers

ORER Size Data - 1903-1910
Dimensions 4/1903
Length 28-32'
Width
Height
Capacity 40000

ORER Size Data
Description 8/1910 2/1914 11/1914
M.C.B. Designation GB
Inside
Dimensions Length 28'-6" 28'-6"
Width 8'-9" 8'-9"
Height 2' 2'
Outside
Dimensions Length 28-32'
Width At Eaves or top of sides or platform 8' to 9'-2"
Extreme Width
Height
from
Rail To Extreme Width
To Eaves or top of sides or platform
To Top of Running Board
To Extreme Height
Door - Side
opening Width
Height
Capacity Cu Ft. Level Full
Pounds 40000 40000 40000

ORER History
ORER Date
(Year-Mo.) Car
Numbers # of
Cars Description
1900 - 11 8850-9499 412 Sideboard Coal, 28 to 32', 30000 to 50000 lbs capacity
1900 - 12 8850-9549 " "
1901 - 01 " 427 "
1901 - 02 " 662 Sideboard Coal, 28 to 32', 30000 to 60000 lbs capacity
1901 - 03 (same)
1901 - 04 " 453 "
1901 - 05 (same)
1901 - 06 (same)
1901 - 07 " 452 "
1901 - 08 " 451 "
1901 - 09 " 450 "
1901 - 10 " 447 "
1901 - 11 " 448 "
1901 - 12 (same)
1902 - 01 " 444 "
1902 - 02 " 443 "
1902 - 03 " 454 "
1902 - 04 (same)
1902 - 05 (same)
1902 - 06 " 452 "
1902 - 07 " 451 "
1902 - 08 " 439 "
1902 - 09 " 437 "
1902 - 10 " 434 "
1902 - 11 (same)
1902 - 12 " 431 "
1903 - 01 " 471 "
8850 - 8999 no longer listed
9000 - 9039 now used for Rodgers Ballast cars
1903 - 02 9040-9549 428 "
1903 - 03 " 426 "
1903 - 04 9050-9499 423 Coal, Drop Sideboard
1903 - 05 " 422 "
1903 - 06 " 421 "
1903 - 07 " 418 "
1903 - 08 " 417 "
1903 - 09 " 414 "
1903 - 10 " 409 "
1903 - 11 " 406 "
1903 - 12 " 401 "
1904 - 01 " 399 "
1904 - 02 " 397 "
1904 - 03 (same)
1904 - 04 (same)
1904 - 05 " 396 "
1904 - 06 " 394 "
1904 - 07 (same)
1904 - 08 " 392 "
1904 - 09 (same)
1904 - 10 " 390 "
1904 - 11 " 388 "
1904 - 12 " 381 "
1905 - 01 " 374 "
1905 - 02 " 373 "
1905 - 03 " 371 "
1905 - 04 (same)
1905 - 05 (same)
1905 - 06 " 369 "
1905 - 07 " 368 "
1905 - 08 " 366 "
1905 - 09 " 363 "
1905 - 10 " 360 "
1905 - 11 " 356 "
1905 - 12 " 353 "
1906 - 01 (same)
1906 - 02 " 350 "
1906 - 03 " 345 "
1906 - 04 (same)
1906 - 05 " 344 "
1906 - 06 (same)
1906 - 07 " 343 "
1906 - 08 (same)
1906 - 09 " 341 "
1906 - 10 " 338 "
1906 - 11 (same)
1906 - 12 (same)
1907 - 01 " 330 "
1907 - 02 " 326 "
1907 - 03 " 324 "
1907 - 04 " 322 "
1907 - 05 " 321 "
1907 - 06 (same)
1907 - 07 " 318 "
1907 - 08 " 316 "
1907 - 09 (same)
1907 - 10 (same)
1907 - 11 " 305 "
1907 - 12 " 302 "
1908 - 01 " 299 "
1908 - 02 " 298 "
1908 - 03 (same)
1908 - 04 (same)
1908 - 05 " 299 "
1908 - 06 " 298 "
1908 - 07 " 296 "
1908 - 08 " 295 "
1908 - 09 " 294 "
1908 - 10 " 293 "
1908 - 11 " 291 "
1908 - 12 (same)
1909 - 01 " 290 "
1909 - 02 (same)
1909 - 03 " "
1909 - 04 (same)
1909 - 05 (same)
1909 - 06 (same)
1909 - 07 " 289 "
1909 - 08 " 285 "
1909 - 09 " 283 "
1909 - 10 " 280 "
1909 - 11 (same)
1909 - 12 " 277 "
1910 - 01 " 274 "
1910 - 02 " 270 "
1910 - 03 " 266 "
1910 - 04 " 264 "
1910 - 05 (same)
1910 - 06 " 259 "
1910 - 07 (same)
1910 - 08 " 257 "
1910 - 09 " 256 "
1910 - 10 " 254 "
1910 - 11 " 255 "
1910 - 12 " 249 "
1911 - 01 " 246 "
1911 - 02 " 247 "
1911 - 03 (same)
1911 - 04 " 246 "
1911 - 05 " 241 "
1911 - 06 " 234 "
1911 - 07 " 232 "
1911 - 08 " 227 "
1911 - 09 " 224 "
1911 - 10 " 220 "
1911 - 11 " 217 "
1911 - 12 " 213 "
1912 - 01 " 207 "
1912 - 02 " 204 "
1912 - 03 " 201 "
1912 - 04 " 199 "
1912 - 05 " 197 "
1912 - 06 " 192 "
1912 - 07 " 186 "
1912 - 08 " 181 "
1912 - 09 " 176 "
1912 - 10 " 171 "
1912 - 11 " 171 "
1912 - 12 " 165 "
1913 - 01 " 161 "
1913 - 02 " 157 "
1913 - 03 " 155 "
1913 - 04 " 152 "
1913 - 05 " 140 "
1913 - 06 " 137 "
1913 - 07 " 126 "
1913 - 08 " 125 "
1913 - 09 " 118 "
1913 - 10 " 89 "
1913 - 11 " 83 "
1913 - 12 " 78 "
1914 - 01 " 68 "
1914 - 02 " 58 "
1914 - 03 " 49 "
1914 - 04 9098-9499 48 "
1914 - 05 " 44 "
1914 - 06 " 40 "
1914 - 07 " 34 "
1914 - 08 " 13 "
1914 - 09 " 8 "
1914 - 10 " 6 "
1914 - 11 " 4 "
1914 - 12 9269 1 "
1915 - 01 Not listed

ORER Size Data - 1903-1910
Dimensions	4/1903
Length	28-32'
Width
Height
Capacity	40000

ORER Size Data
Description	8/1910	2/1914	11/1914
M.C.B. Designation			GB
Inside Dimensions	Length		28'-6"	28'-6"
Width		8'-9"	8'-9"
Height		2'	2'
Outside Dimensions	Length	28-32'
Width	At Eaves or top of sides or platform	8' to 9'-2"
Extreme Width
Height from Rail	To Extreme Width
To Eaves or top of sides or platform
To Top of Running Board
To Extreme Height
Door - Side opening	Width
Height
Capacity	Cu Ft. Level Full
Pounds	40000	40000	40000

ORER History
ORER Date (Year-Mo.)	Car Numbers	# of Cars	Description
1900 - 11	8850-9499	412	Sideboard Coal, 28 to 32', 30000 to 50000 lbs capacity
1900 - 12	8850-9549	"	"
1901 - 01	"	427	"
1901 - 02	"	662	Sideboard Coal, 28 to 32', 30000 to 60000 lbs capacity
1901 - 03	(same)
1901 - 04	"	453	"
1901 - 05	(same)
1901 - 06	(same)
1901 - 07	"	452	"
1901 - 08	"	451	"
1901 - 09	"	450	"
1901 - 10	"	447	"
1901 - 11	"	448	"
1901 - 12	(same)
1902 - 01	"	444	"
1902 - 02	"	443	"
1902 - 03	"	454	"
1902 - 04	(same)
1902 - 05	(same)
1902 - 06	"	452	"
1902 - 07	"	451	"
1902 - 08	"	439	"
1902 - 09	"	437	"
1902 - 10	"	434	"
1902 - 11	(same)
1902 - 12	"	431	"
1903 - 01	"	471	"
8850 - 8999 no longer listed 9000 - 9039 now used for Rodgers Ballast cars
1903 - 02	9040-9549	428	"
1903 - 03	"	426	"
1903 - 04	9050-9499	423	Coal, Drop Sideboard
1903 - 05	"	422	"
1903 - 06	"	421	"
1903 - 07	"	418	"
1903 - 08	"	417	"
1903 - 09	"	414	"
1903 - 10	"	409	"
1903 - 11	"	406	"
1903 - 12	"	401	"
1904 - 01	"	399	"
1904 - 02	"	397	"
1904 - 03	(same)
1904 - 04	(same)
1904 - 05	"	396	"
1904 - 06	"	394	"
1904 - 07	(same)
1904 - 08	"	392	"
1904 - 09	(same)
1904 - 10	"	390	"
1904 - 11	"	388	"
1904 - 12	"	381	"
1905 - 01	"	374	"
1905 - 02	"	373	"
1905 - 03	"	371	"
1905 - 04	(same)
1905 - 05	(same)
1905 - 06	"	369	"
1905 - 07	"	368	"
1905 - 08	"	366	"
1905 - 09	"	363	"
1905 - 10	"	360	"
1905 - 11	"	356	"
1905 - 12	"	353	"
1906 - 01	(same)
1906 - 02	"	350	"
1906 - 03	"	345	"
1906 - 04	(same)
1906 - 05	"	344	"
1906 - 06	(same)
1906 - 07	"	343	"
1906 - 08	(same)
1906 - 09	"	341	"
1906 - 10	"	338	"
1906 - 11	(same)
1906 - 12	(same)
1907 - 01	"	330	"
1907 - 02	"	326	"
1907 - 03	"	324	"
1907 - 04	"	322	"
1907 - 05	"	321	"
1907 - 06	(same)
1907 - 07	"	318	"
1907 - 08	"	316	"
1907 - 09	(same)
1907 - 10	(same)
1907 - 11	"	305	"
1907 - 12	"	302	"
1908 - 01	"	299	"
1908 - 02	"	298	"
1908 - 03	(same)
1908 - 04	(same)
1908 - 05	"	299	"
1908 - 06	"	298	"
1908 - 07	"	296	"
1908 - 08	"	295	"
1908 - 09	"	294	"
1908 - 10	"	293	"
1908 - 11	"	291	"
1908 - 12	(same)
1909 - 01	"	290	"
1909 - 02	(same)
1909 - 03	"		"
1909 - 04	(same)
1909 - 05	(same)
1909 - 06	(same)
1909 - 07	"	289	"
1909 - 08	"	285	"
1909 - 09	"	283	"
1909 - 10	"	280	"
1909 - 11	(same)
1909 - 12	"	277	"
1910 - 01	"	274	"
1910 - 02	"	270	"
1910 - 03	"	266	"
1910 - 04	"	264	"
1910 - 05	(same)
1910 - 06	"	259	"
1910 - 07	(same)
1910 - 08	"	257	"
1910 - 09	"	256	"
1910 - 10	"	254	"
1910 - 11	"	255	"
1910 - 12	"	249	"
1911 - 01	"	246	"
1911 - 02	"	247	"
1911 - 03	(same)
1911 - 04	"	246	"
1911 - 05	"	241	"
1911 - 06	"	234	"
1911 - 07	"	232	"
1911 - 08	"	227	"
1911 - 09	"	224	"
1911 - 10	"	220	"
1911 - 11	"	217	"
1911 - 12	"	213	"
1912 - 01	"	207	"
1912 - 02	"	204	"
1912 - 03	"	201	"
1912 - 04	"	199	"
1912 - 05	"	197	"
1912 - 06	"	192	"
1912 - 07	"	186	"
1912 - 08	"	181	"
1912 - 09	"	176	"
1912 - 10	"	171	"
1912 - 11	"	171	"
1912 - 12	"	165	"
1913 - 01	"	161	"
1913 - 02	"	157	"
1913 - 03	"	155	"
1913 - 04	"	152	"
1913 - 05	"	140	"
1913 - 06	"	137	"
1913 - 07	"	126	"
1913 - 08	"	125	"
1913 - 09	"	118	"
1913 - 10	"	89	"
1913 - 11	"	83	"
1913 - 12	"	78	"
1914 - 01	"	68	"
1914 - 02	"	58	"
1914 - 03	"	49	"
1914 - 04	9098-9499	48	"
1914 - 05	"	44	"
1914 - 06	"	40	"
1914 - 07	"	34	"
1914 - 08	"	13	"
1914 - 09	"	8	"
1914 - 10	"	6	"
1914 - 11	"	4	"
1914 - 12	9269	1	"
1915 - 01	Not listed

ORER Notes

This series NEVER gets "*" indicating "Air Brakes" (1902-04 thru 1909-06)

Discussion, General Notes

Are these are existing cars being renumbered into a new/contiguous series? Or are they cars new since 1897?
B&MRRHS 1900-1907 Freight Car Lettering Book No. 1 (Reprint of B&M lettering diagrams)
Note the "Book page number" below refers to the page number in the B&MRRHS book.
As the B&MRRHS book's pages are NOT numbered, "1" is the first page with an actual diagram! (NOT the title pages or index pages)
"U" = upper diagram on that page, "L" = lower diagram
The "Diagram number" refers to the circled number (lower right corner) in each diagram (the original page number)

Book page # 21 - L
B&M Diagram # 40
Diagram Date 1907
Color on Diagram Brown
Notes on Diagram
Datum 1900 Index 1907 Index
Class of car Drop Side Car Gondola Car Drop Sideboard
Length 28'-32' 28'-32'
Capacity 40,000 40,000
Car Numbers 8850-9499 9050-9499
Page [original] 38 40

Book page #	21 - L
B&M Diagram #	40
Diagram Date	1907
Color on Diagram	Brown
Notes on Diagram
Datum	1900 Index	1907 Index
Class of car	Drop Side Car	Gondola Car Drop Sideboard
Length	28'-32'	28'-32'
Capacity	40,000	40,000
Car Numbers	8850-9499	9050-9499
Page [original]	38	40

ICC Valuation Data (circa 1914)

For more info on the ICC valuation data, see this web page

"Owning"
RR Car # /
Range Val
Sheet # Index
on Page Car Type Built
Date Builder Capy Underframe Body Notes
Fitch 9130 F-9 128 gon - dump sides & bottom 1883-1887 Fitchburg 40 wood wood
Fitch 9180 F-9 129 gon - dump sides & bottom 1883-1887 Fitchburg 40 wood wood
Fitch 9219 F-9 130 gon - dump sides & bottom 1883-1887 Fitchburg 40 wood wood
Fitch 9224 F-9 131 gon - dump sides & bottom 1883-1887 Fitchburg 40 wood wood
Fitch 9269 F-9 132 gon - dump sides & bottom 1883-1887 Fitchburg 40 wood wood
Fitch 9319 F-9 133 gon - dump sides & bottom 1883-1887 Fitchburg 40 wood wood
Fitch 9403 F-9 136 gon - dump sides & bottom 1886-1891 Fitchburg-Charleston 40 wood wood
Fitch 9431 F-9 134 gon - dump sides & bottom 1883-1887 Fitchburg 40 wood wood
Fitch 9476 F-9 135 gon - dump sides & bottom 1883-1887 Fitchburg 40 wood wood
Fitch 9494 F-9 137 gon - dump sides & bottom 1886-1891 Fitchburg-Charleston 40 wood wood
Fitch 9496 F-9 138 gon - dump sides & bottom 1886-1891 Fitchburg-Charleston 40 wood wood

"Owning" RR	Car # / Range	Val Sheet #	Index on Page	Car Type	Built Date	Builder	Capy	Underframe	Body
Fitch	9130	F-9	128	gon - dump sides & bottom	1883-1887	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Fitch	9180	F-9	129	gon - dump sides & bottom	1883-1887	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Fitch	9219	F-9	130	gon - dump sides & bottom	1883-1887	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Fitch	9224	F-9	131	gon - dump sides & bottom	1883-1887	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Fitch	9269	F-9	132	gon - dump sides & bottom	1883-1887	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Fitch	9319	F-9	133	gon - dump sides & bottom	1883-1887	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Fitch	9403	F-9	136	gon - dump sides & bottom	1886-1891	Fitchburg-Charleston	40	wood	wood
Fitch	9431	F-9	134	gon - dump sides & bottom	1883-1887	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Fitch	9476	F-9	135	gon - dump sides & bottom	1883-1887	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Fitch	9494	F-9	137	gon - dump sides & bottom	1886-1891	Fitchburg-Charleston	40	wood	wood
Fitch	9496	F-9	138	gon - dump sides & bottom	1886-1891	Fitchburg-Charleston	40	wood	wood

Paint Schemes

References or other data

Magazine/Book article(s)

Photographs

Renumberings/Conversions/Dispositions

Models

Revision History

File History for THIS page
Date Who Description
25-Dec-2019 KG Akerboom Initial release
04-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Re-did references/photos section
05-May-2020 KG Akerboom Moved ORER notes into separate section
14-May-2020 KG Akerboom Added data from 4 more ORERs (1911,1919,1921,1931)
21-Jul-2020 KG Akerboom "Photos" table - changed "vertical" text to PNG of "sideways" text; added "Markings" columns
07- thru
16-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added ORER data (History only, not dims or notes yet) for 63 more registers, courtesy of James Kinkaid
10-Oct-2020 KG Akerboom Added E. Neubauer ORER data (car counts only, 15 issues)
28-Jan-2021 KG Akerboom Added info from "1900-1907 Freight Car Lettering Diagrams" book
10-Apr-2021 KG Akerboom Added info from 47 more ORERs 1903 thru 1917
22-Jan-2022 KG Akerboom Added ICC Valuation data
14-Oct-2022 KG Akerboom Updated per [almost] complete ORER data
04-Jan-2023 KG Akerboom Fixed headers and footers...hopefully
28-May-2023 KG Akerboom Back-filled 1900 data
22-Jul-2023 KG Akerboom Back-filled missing 1905 data

File History for THIS page
Date	Who	Description
25-Dec-2019	KG Akerboom	Initial release
04-Apr-2020	KG Akerboom	Re-did references/photos section
05-May-2020	KG Akerboom	Moved ORER notes into separate section
14-May-2020	KG Akerboom	Added data from 4 more ORERs (1911,1919,1921,1931)
21-Jul-2020	KG Akerboom	"Photos" table - changed "vertical" text to PNG of "sideways" text; added "Markings" columns
07- thru 16-Aug-2020	KG Akerboom	Added ORER data (History only, not dims or notes yet) for 63 more registers, courtesy of James Kinkaid
10-Oct-2020	KG Akerboom	Added E. Neubauer ORER data (car counts only, 15 issues)
28-Jan-2021	KG Akerboom	Added info from "1900-1907 Freight Car Lettering Diagrams" book
10-Apr-2021	KG Akerboom	Added info from 47 more ORERs 1903 thru 1917
22-Jan-2022	KG Akerboom	Added ICC Valuation data
14-Oct-2022	KG Akerboom	Updated per [almost] complete ORER data
04-Jan-2023	KG Akerboom	Fixed headers and footers...hopefully
28-May-2023	KG Akerboom	Back-filled 1900 data
22-Jul-2023	KG Akerboom	Back-filled missing 1905 data

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