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NYNH&H 17xxx Series Leased Piggyback Flat Cars

Index

• Builder's Photo
• Classification Card(s) for series
• Specifications
• ORER data
• ORER Notes
• Discussion, General Notes
• Car Book and/or Car Disposition Data
• Paint Schemes
• References
• Photographs
• Renumberings/Conversions/Dispositions
• Modeling
• Revision History of this page

Builder's Photo

Does one exist?

B&M Classification Card(s)

I don't know if a B&M diagram exists, but the NYNH&H class diagram is available at:
"The Alphabet Route" web site (click on the "17500 - 17799" link - NOT the "17500 - 17534" link)

It appears the B&M also leased some NH 17800-17899 series cars (Photos show they are in use 23-Jun-1959)
The NYNH&H class diagram is available at:
"The Alphabet Route" web site (click on the "17800 - 17899" link)

Specifications From Classification Cards

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ORER data and numbers

ORER Size Data

Description			1/1953 (17500-17699)	Series 17700-17799	Series 17800-17899
M.C.B. / AAR Mechanical Designation			FC
Inside Dimensions	Length		40'
	Width		10'
	Height
Outside Dimensions	Length		40'
	Width	At Eaves or top of sides or platform	10'
		Extreme Width	10'-3"
	Height from Rail	To Extreme Width	3'-3"
		To Eaves or top of sides or platform	3'-5"
		To Top of Running Board
		To Extreme Height	7'-6"
Door - Side opening	Width
	Height
Capacity	Cu Ft. Level Full
	Pounds		100000

ORER Notes

Discussion, General Notes

• The car books don't indicate when the lease ends. I would suspect:
  • After the last car book listing (after 3/1960)
  • Possibly when the B&M car series 5200-5209 were put into service (approx. 7/1958)
  • Probably by the time car series 5225-5264 was put into service (approx 4/1960)
• There (apparently) is (or was) one of these cars at the Valley RR Museum in Essex, CT (17704?), without piggyback equipment
• There is a photo (Peter Ness collection) of (I think) NH 17768 (or 17769?) carrying a B&M trailer. No date or location yet known.
  Also unknown if this was a car leased from the NH, or not.
• The 1998 O scale convention produced a model of (I think) this car.This is a page from the instructions

Car Book and/or Car Disposition Data

Car Books (1923-06 thru 1936-10, then 1944-05 thru 1960-03)

Volume number refers original book number
Part number refers to PDF file part as posted on B&MRRHS site
Page numbers refer to pages in PDF file(s) (L/R = Left or Right side of that PDF page)
NOTE: once cars get renumbered into "company service" (zero + number, or W/M/S numbers), the following actions are my "best guess" as to what happened to the car (due to gaps in records, and the re-use of numbers)

Car Number(s)	Vol	Part	Page	Date	Action	Notes
NYNH&H 17612	4	4	7L	1956-05	Leased from	NYNH&H - for Piggyback Service
NYNH&H 17620	4	4	7L	1956-05	Leased from	NYNH&H - for Piggyback Service
NYNH&H 17625	4	4	7L	1956-05	Leased from	NYNH&H - for Piggyback Service
NYNH&H 17638	4	4	7L	1956-05	Leased from	NYNH&H - for Piggyback Service
NYNH&H 17680	4	4	7L	1956-05	Leased from	NYNH&H - for Piggyback Service
NYNH&H 17689	4	4	7L	1956-05	Leased from	NYNH&H - for Piggyback Service
NYNH&H 17697	4	4	7L	1956-05	Leased from	NYNH&H - for Piggyback Service
NYNH&H 17700	4	4	7L	1956-05	Leased from	NYNH&H - for Piggyback Service
NYNH&H 17707	4	4	7L	1956-05	Leased from	NYNH&H - for Piggyback Service
NYNH&H 17724	4	4	7L	1956-05	Leased from	NYNH&H - for Piggyback Service

Paint Schemes

References or other data

• Peter Ness' web site has more info on these cars
• Boston & Maine Railroad Magazine May-June 1956 issue - Has cover photo of flat car and trailer on it (on cover) and article
• Railway Age Magazine, 1957 "Special TOFC Report" (note the B&M was not listed in the 1954 TOFC report, unknown if there were similar reports in 1955 / 1956)

  Boston & Maine - Plan 1 and Plan 2; trailerload and LTL (Plan 1 only) lots; avg. mo. vol. 459 trailers; Plan 1 trailers carried on rate divisions; Plan 2 trailers receive $3.25 per diem; TOFC investment $85,000; in '58 to convert flats for TOFC using ACF hitch, extending Plan 2 to WTL territory.

Photographs

Page	Car #	Photo Date yr-mo-day		Visible?				Markings				Paint Scheme	Herald	Notes
B&MRRHS Flickr Possibly a later lease of NH cars?
	178x6?	1959-06-23		p								black?	NH	Unloading B&M piggyback trailer
B&MRRHS Flickr Same car as previous picture?
	?	1959-06-23		p								black?	NH	Unloading B&M piggyback trailer
B&MRRHS Flickr
	?	1956-05-01		p								black?		With B&M piggyback trailer
B&MRRHS Flickr Same car as previous picture? (note 2nd car to the right)
	1762x	1956-05-01		p								black?	NH	With B&M piggyback trailer
B&MRRHS Flickr Same car as previous picture?
	?	1956-05-01		p								black?	NH	With B&M piggyback trailer
B&MRRHS Flickr Car to the right of above
	?	1956-05-01		p								black?	NH	Unloading B&M piggyback trailer
B&M "groups.io" thread
Thread titled "Help with date/location? ", first post (21-Feb-2021) has a photo from Peter Ness' collection. Unknown if actually leased to the B&M.
	1776[8 or 9]?			X								black?	NH	With B&M piggyback trailer. Note B&M 75xxx car to the right.
B&M RR Magazine May-June, 1957 (vol 25 No. 3)
p5	?	1957		X										*Assuming* these are leased NH cars. Loaded with trailers

Renumberings/Conversions/Dispositions

Models

NH modeling info from Peter Ness

Scale	Manufacturer	Stock number	Car number	Paint scheme	Notes
HO	Chad Boas	?	?	?	"NH 17500 TOFC, PC 702640, NW 32900 40’ general steel casting frame" price list from July, 2019 shows they are available directly from Chad.
HO	Ulrich	?	?	?	Needs "heavy" modification to match NH 17800 series
O	Berkshire Valley Models	?	?	?	1998 O Scale convention car - limited run, no longer available

Revision History

File History for THIS page

Date	Who	Description
30-Oct-2020	KG Akerboom	Initial release
17-Nov-2020	KG Akerboom	Added link to "Alphabet Route" "Class diagram"
28-Nov-2020	KG Akerboom	Added B&MRRHS "flickr" photos
11-Dec-2020	KG Akerboom	Added more info from Peter Ness on NH flats, models, etc.
21-Feb-2021	KG Akerboom	Added Peter Ness photo of 17768
04-Jul-2021	KG Akerboom	Reorganized Car Book and/or Car Disposition Data (Car # to 1st column, 2nd/other changes to new rows)
25-Apr-2022	KG Akerboom	Added info and instruction pgae from 1998 O scale convention car.
04-Jan-2023	KG Akerboom	Fixed headers and footers...hopefully
10-Mar-2024	KG Akerboom	Added photo from May-Jun-1957 Employee's magazine