Boston & Maine 5820 Series Covered Hopper Cars

Index

Builder's Photo
Classification Card(s) for series
Specifications
ORER data
ORER Notes
Discussion, General Notes
Car Assignments
Paint Schemes
References
Photographs
Renumberings/Conversions/Dispositions
Modeling
Revision History of this page

Builder's Photo

In lieu of a builder's photo...
Craig Bossler photo, James Kinkaid Collection, used with permission (click on image to see full resolution available)

B&M Classification Card(s)

Does one exist?

Specifications From Classification Cards

From Eric Neubauer - General American Car Production List - 4180 and 4566 c.f. (Dec. 2015 "Car of the month") data, or as specified

Spec B&M 5820-5829 B&M 5830-5849
Builder GATX/Airslide at East Chicago plant [also B&MRRHS Modelers Notes No 18.]
Lot # 8441 8436
Car Numbers B&M 5820-5829 GACX 47744-47763 (note lot had cars #s to 47773, but 47764-47773 were not sold/leased/whatever to B&M)
to B&M 5830-5849 in 1980
Quantity 10 30 total built in lot, 20 to B&M
Build Date Dec 1978 Jan-Feb 1977
AAR class LO
Description 2 bay Airslide
Cubic Cap'y 4180 Cu. Ft.

Spec	B&M 5820-5829	B&M 5830-5849
Builder	GATX/Airslide at East Chicago plant [also B&MRRHS Modelers Notes No 18.]
Lot #	8441	8436
Car Numbers	B&M 5820-5829	GACX 47744-47763 (note lot had cars #s to 47773, but 47764-47773 were not sold/leased/whatever to B&M) to B&M 5830-5849 in 1980
Quantity	10	30 total built in lot, 20 to B&M
Build Date	Dec 1978	Jan-Feb 1977
AAR class	LO
Description	2 bay Airslide
Cubic Cap'y	4180 Cu. Ft.

ORER data and numbers

ORER Size Data
Description 4/1979 7/1989
AAR Mechanical Designation LO LO
Inside
Dimensions Length 48'-11"
Width 9'-11"
Height
Outside
Dimensions Length 54'-1" 54'-1"
Width At Eaves or top of sides or platform 10'-2" 10'-2"
Extreme Width 10'-7" 10'-7"
Height
from
Rail To Extreme Width 13'-5" 13'-5"
To Eaves or top of sides or platform 13'-11" 13'-11"
To Top of Running Board
To Extreme Height 14'-6" 14'-6"
Door - Side
opening Width
Height
Capacity Cu Ft. Level Full 4180 4180
Pounds 194000 194000

ORER History
ORER Date
(Year-Mo.) Car
Numbers # of
Cars Description
1979 - 04 5820-5829 10 Covered Hopper, Airslide, Note 1
1979 - 07 (same)
1979 - 10 (same)
1980 - 01 (same)
1980 - 04 (same)
1980 - 07 (same)
1980 - 10 5820-5849 30 Covered Hopper, Airslide, Note 1
1981 - 01 " " Covered Hopper, Airslide
1981 - 04 (same)
1981 - 07 (same)
1981 - 10 (same)
1982 - 01 (same)
1982 - 04 (same)
1982 - 07 (same)
1982 - 10 (same)
1983 - 01 (same)
1983 - 05 5820-5849 20 Covered Hopper, Airslide [capy 193000]
5820,5821-5829 10 Covered Hopper
1983 - 07 (same) (both rows)
1983 - 10 (same) (both rows)
1984 - 01 5820-5849 20 Covered Hopper, Airslide [capy 193000]
5821-5829 9 Covered Hopper
1984 - 04 (same) (both rows)
1984 - 07 (same) (both rows)
1984 - 10 (same) (both rows)
1985 - 01 (same) (both rows)
1985 - 04 (same) (both rows)
1985 - 07 (same) (both rows)
1985 - 10 (same) (both rows)
1986 - 01 (same) (both rows)
1986 - 04 (same) (both rows)
1986 - 07 (same) (both rows)
1986 - 10 (same) (both rows)
1987 - 01 (same) (both rows)
1987 - 04 (same) (both rows)
1987 - 07 (same) (both rows)
1987 - 10 (same) (both rows)
1988 - 01 (same) (both rows)
1988 - 04 (same) (both rows)
1988 - 07 (same) (both rows)
1988 - 10 (same) (both rows)
1989 - 01 (same) (both rows)
1989 - 04 (same) (both rows)
1989 - 07 (same) (both rows)
1989 - 10 (same) (both rows)
1990 - 01 5820-5849 12 Covered Hopper, Airslide [capy 193000]
5821-22;5824-25;5827-29 7 Covered Hopper
1990 - 04 (same) (both rows)
1990 - 07 (same) (both rows)
1990 - 10 (same) (both rows)
1991 - 01 (same) (both rows)
1991 - 04 (same) (both rows)
1991 - 07 (same) (both rows)
1991 - 10 (same) (both rows)
1992 - 01 (same) (both rows)
1992 - 04 5820-5849 7 Covered Hopper, Airslide
1992 - 07 (same)
1992 - 10 (same)
1993 - 01 (same)
1993 - 04 Not listed

ORER Size Data
Description	4/1979	7/1989
AAR Mechanical Designation	LO	LO
Inside Dimensions	Length	48'-11"
Width	9'-11"
Height
Outside Dimensions	Length	54'-1"	54'-1"
Width	At Eaves or top of sides or platform	10'-2"	10'-2"
Extreme Width	10'-7"	10'-7"
Height from Rail	To Extreme Width	13'-5"	13'-5"
To Eaves or top of sides or platform	13'-11"	13'-11"
To Top of Running Board
To Extreme Height	14'-6"	14'-6"
Door - Side opening	Width
Height
Capacity	Cu Ft. Level Full	4180	4180
Pounds	194000	194000

ORER History
ORER Date (Year-Mo.)	Car Numbers	# of Cars	Description
1979 - 04	5820-5829	10	Covered Hopper, Airslide, Note 1
1979 - 07	(same)
1979 - 10	(same)
1980 - 01	(same)
1980 - 04	(same)
1980 - 07	(same)
1980 - 10	5820-5849	30	Covered Hopper, Airslide, Note 1
1981 - 01	"	"	Covered Hopper, Airslide
1981 - 04	(same)
1981 - 07	(same)
1981 - 10	(same)
1982 - 01	(same)
1982 - 04	(same)
1982 - 07	(same)
1982 - 10	(same)
1983 - 01	(same)
1983 - 05	5820-5849	20	Covered Hopper, Airslide [capy 193000]
5820,5821-5829	10	Covered Hopper
1983 - 07	(same) (both rows)
1983 - 10	(same) (both rows)
1984 - 01	5820-5849	20	Covered Hopper, Airslide [capy 193000]
5821-5829	9	Covered Hopper
1984 - 04	(same) (both rows)
1984 - 07	(same) (both rows)
1984 - 10	(same) (both rows)
1985 - 01	(same) (both rows)
1985 - 04	(same) (both rows)
1985 - 07	(same) (both rows)
1985 - 10	(same) (both rows)
1986 - 01	(same) (both rows)
1986 - 04	(same) (both rows)
1986 - 07	(same) (both rows)
1986 - 10	(same) (both rows)
1987 - 01	(same) (both rows)
1987 - 04	(same) (both rows)
1987 - 07	(same) (both rows)
1987 - 10	(same) (both rows)
1988 - 01	(same) (both rows)
1988 - 04	(same) (both rows)
1988 - 07	(same) (both rows)
1988 - 10	(same) (both rows)
1989 - 01	(same) (both rows)
1989 - 04	(same) (both rows)
1989 - 07	(same) (both rows)
1989 - 10	(same) (both rows)
1990 - 01	5820-5849	12	Covered Hopper, Airslide [capy 193000]
5821-22;5824-25;5827-29	7	Covered Hopper
1990 - 04	(same) (both rows)
1990 - 07	(same) (both rows)
1990 - 10	(same) (both rows)
1991 - 01	(same) (both rows)
1991 - 04	(same) (both rows)
1991 - 07	(same) (both rows)
1991 - 10	(same) (both rows)
1992 - 01	(same) (both rows)
1992 - 04	5820-5849	7	Covered Hopper, Airslide
1992 - 07	(same)
1992 - 10	(same)
1993 - 01	(same)
1993 - 04	Not listed

ORER Notes

Note 1 (4/1979 - )

Cars are owned by General American Transportation Corporation. Reports of cars damaged or destroyed, bills for repairs or requests for materials needed for repairs should be sent to General American Transportation Corporation representative as listed in The Official Railway Equipment Register

Discussion, General Notes

Per Don Clerke
Airslide, Built by General American 12/1978

B&MRRHS Modelers Notes No 18.
Cars 5830-49 ex-GACX cars, built 1/1977. Car 5835 has red, white, black, and green "Wednesday is Prince Spaghetti Day" scheme.
...
used in grain and feed service

Modeler's Notes #39
GATC cars, built 1978.

Per Eric Neubauer - General American Car Production List - 4180 and 4566 c.f. (Dec. 2015 "Car of the month") data:
BM 5821-5829 to GACX 48570-48578 in 1990
Note this conflicts with ORER data, unless the B&M renumbered some cars in 5830-5849 to 5821-5829.
Per Eric Neubauer - A History of the General American Airslide and Other Covered Hopper Cars
B&M 5820-5829: Phase "HC"
B&M 5830-5849: ex- GACX 47744-47763, built 1- to 2-1977. transferred 1980. Phase "HC" (possibly some/all ex- Sucrest 50-71?)
Per B&M RR documents, Mike Clements Collection: Letter dated 05-Oct-1979 (from AG Dustin) (PDF page 26) - the B&M sub-leased these airslides from Revere Sugar.
[as the date of the letter doesn't match either number change in the ORER, I'm not sure which group of cars it applies to - the first 10, the later 20, or all 30]
Second letter (dated 24-Jun-1980)(PDF pp 22-23) covers "Revere cars which have been or will be restencilled as the 5830 - 5849 series"
Given the different GATX lot numbers, etc. it is likely the ex-Revere Sugar cars are only the last 20 cars

Car Assignments

Courtesy of B&M RR documents, Mike Clements Collection, we have quite a bit of data about the assignments for these cars.

5820 - correspondence
PDF
Page Date Notes
2 22-Sep-1983 GATX Contract 6685.
"St. Louis Refrigerator Car Co. advises car at their shop for inspection...
Due to high cost of repair, car is considered scrapped"

5821 - correspondence
PDF
Page Date Notes
10 05-Nov-1981 Letter about initial set up of pool
includes text that the N&W would refuse to handle this car as they had a surplus of airslides on-line, and Tennant & Hoyt had recently released similar N&W cars from the pool.

5821 - pool info
Shipper Tennant & Hoyt
Location Lake City, MN
UMLER Pool
Pool Operator
Route B&M-(McV)-D&H-(Bflo)-C&O-(Chgo)-Milw
Commodity Flour
Destination Lewiston, ME

I am told the most likely routing on the C&O would be via trackage rights on the CN to Detroit then the ex-PM route to Chicago

5830 - 5834 - correspondence
PDF
Page Date Notes
34 27-May-1980 From P&PU agreeing to accept these cars in pool service
33 11-Jun-1980 From B&M to Conrail if they will handle empties
28,29,31,32 23-Jun-1980 From Conrail to B&M - Conrail will handle initial empty move "free of charge"
Note pp 31-32 are truncated copies of wires on p29. p28 is just a cover letter for p29
30 24-Jun-1980 [internal memo?] stating Conrailfinally came to terms
19 07-Oct-1981 From [CPC?] advising Pekin plant closing, last shipment 05-Oct.
Cars to be shifted to Argo, IL plant (served by BRC, BOCT, IHB)
Adds cars GATX 47666 and GATX 47669 [Groton service] to correspondence
18 22-Oct-1981 From CPC - 2nd letter about shift from Pekin to Argo
17 [undated?] hard to read, but it appears to be a note about the cars in this service and their current locations
16 29-Oct-1981 From B&M, to ICG (& others) - same change in service
15 03-Nov-1981 From BRC to B&M - BRC is OK with change
14 03-Nov-1981 From IHB to B&M - IHB is OK with change
Also handwritten notes about car locations?

5830 - 5834 - pool info
Date 1980-1981 After [approx] Nov 1981
Shipper CPC CPC
Location Peoria (Pekin), IL Argo, IL
UMLER Pool 6450008 9980032
Pool Operator P&PU ?
Route PPU - CR - BM BM cars: [not specified]
GATX cars: NS-D&H-B&M-(Gardner)-P&W
Commodity Starch BM cars: Starch
GATX cars: starch and corn sugar
Destination "in Maine" BM cars: [I assume still Maine]
GATX cars: Groton, CT (Pfizer)

P&PU = Peoria and Pekin Union Ry
BRC = Belt Ry of Chicago
BOCT = B&O Chicago Terminal RR
IHB = Indiana Harbor Belt

5835-5838 - correspondence
PDF
Page Date Notes
37, 38 17-May-1980 Chessie agreeable to accept [4 cars] for AE Staley service
[upside-down wire for 5839 - see p39]
[looks to me like p37 = p38]
36 28-May-1980 NW agreeable to accept [4 cars - note 5837 listed twice] for AE Staley service
35 06-Jun-1980 "Stop this car" form - hold 5835?

5835-5838 - pool info
Shipper AE Staley
Location Decatur, IL
UMLER Pool 9980003
Pool Operator B&O
Route Joint BO - ICG - NW [?]
or BM - (McV) - DH - (Bflo) - NW
Commodity Starch
Destination

5839 - correspondence
PDF
Page Date Notes
41 12-Jun-1980 From Milw to B&M - Milw does not need this car at this time
40 20-Jun-1980 From Milw to B&M - Milw accepts car in pool assigmnment
39 25-Jun-1980 From Milw to B&M - Milw accepts car in pool assigmnment
39 25-Jun-1980 From D&H to B&M - D&H will handle car [for free?] from Mechanicville to N&W Buffalo
13 17-Jul-1980 From NW to B&M - agree to handle empty.
Car going to Lithcote at Muscatine for cleaning prior to delivery to Grain Processing

5839 - pool info
Shipper Grain Processing
Location Muscatine, IA
UMLER Pool 1402324
Pool Operator MILW
Route MILW - NW - DH - BM
Commodity Starch
Destination "in New England"

5840-5841 - correspondence
PDF
Page Date Notes
42 (top) ? From: [CNW?], to: BM - 5840 & 5841 assigned to this service
42 (mid) 12-Jun-1980 From: BM, to: CNW - BM 5840/5841 available for assignment to this customer
42 (bot) 25-Jun-1980 From: BM, to: NW - Cars en-route to this assignment
Please arrange to intercept and deliver to BOCT or IHB for General American Transportation Corp. for cleaning.
When released [from GATC] please forward to Cedar Rapids
44 (top) ?20-Jun-1980? From B&M to NW - will you handle empty?
44 (bot) ?20-Jun-1980? From B&M to DH - will you handle empty?
43 (top) 23-Jun-1980 From DH to B&M - DH agreeable to handle empties if returned loaded
43 (bot) 23-Jun-1980 From NW to B&M - NW agreeable to handle empties if returned loaded
1 ?14?-Sep-? From Conrail[?] to B&M - Released from Cedar Rapids (CNW) assignment, have been loaded east destination Newton Falls, NY
Cars now unassigned, please protect return of both cars when empty

5840-5841 - pool info
Shipper Cargill
Location Cedar Rapids, IA
UMLER Pool 13150008
Pool Operator C&NW
Route BM - DH - NW - CNW
Commodity Starch
Destination [?] of Maine

5842-5843 - correspondence
PDF
Page Date Notes
48 06-May-1980 from: P&F, to: CRANDIC - B&M Assigning 5842 & 5843 to P&N fleet,
would you accept resposibility for home yard for this addition?,
also register in CRANDIC UMLER file?
47 12-Jun-1980 from: B&M, to: CRANDIC - B&M has 2 hoppers for assignment
46 23-Jun-1980 from: CRANDIC, to: B&M - Crandic agreeable to accepting 5842-5843
45 25-Jun-1980 [internal memo?] Crandic agreeable, please advise service route so cars can get into service.

5842-5843 - pool info
Shipper Penick & Ford
Location Cedar Rapids, IA
UMLER Pool 1110014
Pool Operator CIC
Route
Commodity
Destination

CIC = CRANDIC (Cedar Rapids and Iowa City Railway)

5844-5845 - correspondence
PDF
Page Date Notes
53 21-May-1980 From ADM to MILW - ADM requested additional equipment from B&M for Minneapolis, MN assignment
50-51 9/17-Jun-1980 Cover page & letter from MILW to ADM - letting ADM know proper procedure/contact
52 10-Jun-1980 From ADM to BM - see attached letter re: BM cars 5844-5845
49 24-Jun-1980 From BM to ADM - asking for clarifications
20 08-Jul-1980 [internal memo] - arrange emtpy car transit, also clean cars as last loading was sugar

5844-5845 - pool info
Shipper ADM
Location Red Wing, MN
UMLER Pool
Pool Operator MILW
Route MILW - (Chicago) - NW - DH - BM - MEC
Commodity Flour
Destination Nissen Baking, Brewer, ME

5846-5847 - correspondence
PDF
Page Date Notes
54 11-Jun-1980 From DH to BM - DH will handle empty to Buffalo for per diem and milage first load only

5846-5847 - pool info
Shipper International Multifoods
Location Buffalo, NY
UMLER Pool 1903910
Pool Operator CR
Route BM-DH
Commodity
Destination Data available for one point in time only:
5846 - Nissen, Portland (24-Jun-1980)
5847 - Dreikorn, Holyoke (23-Jun-1980)

5848-5849 - correspondence
PDF
Page Date Notes
27 17-Jun-1980 from BM to P&PU - Replace GATX 47666 and GATX 47669 with BM5848 - 5849
GATX cars will be used for on-line assignment [see 5830-5834 above!]
23 24-Jun-1980 [internal memo] - GATX cars to be used for Amstar
"unaware of the actual existance of 5848 and 5849 to date" [!]
21 25-Jun-1980 [internal memo] - RE: above swap - we have no record of GATX cars on-line and no record of service history, etc.

5848-5849 - pool info
Shipper CPC
Location Peoria (Pekin), IL
UMLER Pool 6450008? (GATX cars currently 9980033)
Pool Operator P&PU? (or PTC?)
Route ?
Commodity ?
Destination ?

5820 - correspondence
PDF Page	Date	Notes
2	22-Sep-1983	GATX Contract 6685. "St. Louis Refrigerator Car Co. advises car at their shop for inspection... Due to high cost of repair, car is considered scrapped"

5821 - correspondence
PDF Page	Date	Notes
10	05-Nov-1981	Letter about initial set up of pool includes text that the N&W would refuse to handle this car as they had a surplus of airslides on-line, and Tennant & Hoyt had recently released similar N&W cars from the pool.

5821 - pool info
Shipper	Tennant & Hoyt
Location	Lake City, MN
UMLER Pool
Pool Operator
Route	B&M-(McV)-D&H-(Bflo)-C&O-(Chgo)-Milw
Commodity	Flour
Destination	Lewiston, ME

5830 - 5834 - correspondence
PDF Page	Date	Notes
34	27-May-1980	From P&PU agreeing to accept these cars in pool service
33	11-Jun-1980	From B&M to Conrail if they will handle empties
28,29,31,32	23-Jun-1980	From Conrail to B&M - Conrail will handle initial empty move "free of charge" Note pp 31-32 are truncated copies of wires on p29. p28 is just a cover letter for p29
30	24-Jun-1980	[internal memo?] stating Conrailfinally came to terms
19	07-Oct-1981	From [CPC?] advising Pekin plant closing, last shipment 05-Oct. Cars to be shifted to Argo, IL plant (served by BRC, BOCT, IHB) Adds cars GATX 47666 and GATX 47669 [Groton service] to correspondence
18	22-Oct-1981	From CPC - 2nd letter about shift from Pekin to Argo
17	[undated?]	hard to read, but it appears to be a note about the cars in this service and their current locations
16	29-Oct-1981	From B&M, to ICG (& others) - same change in service
15	03-Nov-1981	From BRC to B&M - BRC is OK with change
14	03-Nov-1981	From IHB to B&M - IHB is OK with change Also handwritten notes about car locations?

5830 - 5834 - pool info
Date	1980-1981	After [approx] Nov 1981
Shipper	CPC	CPC
Location	Peoria (Pekin), IL	Argo, IL
UMLER Pool	6450008	9980032
Pool Operator	P&PU	?
Route	PPU - CR - BM	BM cars: [not specified] GATX cars: NS-D&H-B&M-(Gardner)-P&W
Commodity	Starch	BM cars: Starch GATX cars: starch and corn sugar
Destination	"in Maine"	BM cars: [I assume still Maine] GATX cars: Groton, CT (Pfizer)

5835-5838 - correspondence
PDF Page	Date	Notes
37, 38	17-May-1980	Chessie agreeable to accept [4 cars] for AE Staley service [upside-down wire for 5839 - see p39] [looks to me like p37 = p38]
36	28-May-1980	NW agreeable to accept [4 cars - note 5837 listed twice] for AE Staley service
35	06-Jun-1980	"Stop this car" form - hold 5835?

5835-5838 - pool info
Shipper	AE Staley
Location	Decatur, IL
UMLER Pool	9980003
Pool Operator	B&O
Route	Joint BO - ICG - NW [?] or BM - (McV) - DH - (Bflo) - NW
Commodity	Starch
Destination

5839 - correspondence
PDF Page	Date	Notes
41	12-Jun-1980	From Milw to B&M - Milw does not need this car at this time
40	20-Jun-1980	From Milw to B&M - Milw accepts car in pool assigmnment
39	25-Jun-1980	From Milw to B&M - Milw accepts car in pool assigmnment
39	25-Jun-1980	From D&H to B&M - D&H will handle car [for free?] from Mechanicville to N&W Buffalo
13	17-Jul-1980	From NW to B&M - agree to handle empty. Car going to Lithcote at Muscatine for cleaning prior to delivery to Grain Processing

5839 - pool info
Shipper	Grain Processing
Location	Muscatine, IA
UMLER Pool	1402324
Pool Operator	MILW
Route	MILW - NW - DH - BM
Commodity	Starch
Destination	"in New England"

5840-5841 - correspondence
PDF Page	Date	Notes
42 (top)	?	From: [CNW?], to: BM - 5840 & 5841 assigned to this service
42 (mid)	12-Jun-1980	From: BM, to: CNW - BM 5840/5841 available for assignment to this customer
42 (bot)	25-Jun-1980	From: BM, to: NW - Cars en-route to this assignment Please arrange to intercept and deliver to BOCT or IHB for General American Transportation Corp. for cleaning. When released [from GATC] please forward to Cedar Rapids
44 (top)	?20-Jun-1980?	From B&M to NW - will you handle empty?
44 (bot)	?20-Jun-1980?	From B&M to DH - will you handle empty?
43 (top)	23-Jun-1980	From DH to B&M - DH agreeable to handle empties if returned loaded
43 (bot)	23-Jun-1980	From NW to B&M - NW agreeable to handle empties if returned loaded
1	?14?-Sep-?	From Conrail[?] to B&M - Released from Cedar Rapids (CNW) assignment, have been loaded east destination Newton Falls, NY Cars now unassigned, please protect return of both cars when empty

5840-5841 - pool info
Shipper	Cargill
Location	Cedar Rapids, IA
UMLER Pool	13150008
Pool Operator	C&NW
Route	BM - DH - NW - CNW
Commodity	Starch
Destination	[?] of Maine

5842-5843 - correspondence
PDF Page	Date	Notes
48	06-May-1980	from: P&F, to: CRANDIC - B&M Assigning 5842 & 5843 to P&N fleet, would you accept resposibility for home yard for this addition?, also register in CRANDIC UMLER file?
47	12-Jun-1980	from: B&M, to: CRANDIC - B&M has 2 hoppers for assignment
46	23-Jun-1980	from: CRANDIC, to: B&M - Crandic agreeable to accepting 5842-5843
45	25-Jun-1980	[internal memo?] Crandic agreeable, please advise service route so cars can get into service.

5842-5843 - pool info
Shipper	Penick & Ford
Location	Cedar Rapids, IA
UMLER Pool	1110014
Pool Operator	CIC
Route
Commodity
Destination

5844-5845 - correspondence
PDF Page	Date	Notes
53	21-May-1980	From ADM to MILW - ADM requested additional equipment from B&M for Minneapolis, MN assignment
50-51	9/17-Jun-1980	Cover page & letter from MILW to ADM - letting ADM know proper procedure/contact
52	10-Jun-1980	From ADM to BM - see attached letter re: BM cars 5844-5845
49	24-Jun-1980	From BM to ADM - asking for clarifications
20	08-Jul-1980	[internal memo] - arrange emtpy car transit, also clean cars as last loading was sugar

5844-5845 - pool info
Shipper	ADM
Location	Red Wing, MN
UMLER Pool
Pool Operator	MILW
Route	MILW - (Chicago) - NW - DH - BM - MEC
Commodity	Flour
Destination	Nissen Baking, Brewer, ME

5846-5847 - correspondence
PDF Page	Date	Notes
54	11-Jun-1980	From DH to BM - DH will handle empty to Buffalo for per diem and milage first load only

5846-5847 - pool info
Shipper	International Multifoods
Location	Buffalo, NY
UMLER Pool	1903910
Pool Operator	CR
Route	BM-DH
Commodity
Destination	Data available for one point in time only: 5846 - Nissen, Portland (24-Jun-1980) 5847 - Dreikorn, Holyoke (23-Jun-1980)

5848-5849 - correspondence
PDF Page	Date	Notes
27	17-Jun-1980	from BM to P&PU - Replace GATX 47666 and GATX 47669 with BM5848 - 5849 GATX cars will be used for on-line assignment [see 5830-5834 above!]
23	24-Jun-1980	[internal memo] - GATX cars to be used for Amstar "unaware of the actual existance of 5848 and 5849 to date" [!]
21	25-Jun-1980	[internal memo] - RE: above swap - we have no record of GATX cars on-line and no record of service history, etc.

5848-5849 - pool info
Shipper	CPC
Location	Peoria (Pekin), IL
UMLER Pool	6450008? (GATX cars currently 9980033)
Pool Operator	P&PU? (or PTC?)
Route	?
Commodity	?
Destination	?

Paint Schemes

As delivered
all-grey (including underframe). ? trucks. Black lettering, no herald.

References or other data

Magazine/Book article(s)

Photographs

Page Car # Photo Date
yr-mo-day Visible? Markings Paint
Scheme Herald Notes

Don Clerke inserts into B&MRRHS Bulletin
i 12 photo 36 5826 X A? BM G G N N 2H N N N original
B&MRRHS Modelers Notes Issue No. included in "page" column
No 18 p7 5841?
?Mis-identified as 3841? 1985 X B 2H Very dark print, hard to see.
B&MRRHS photos
5835 Y X B BM G G N N 3 N N N Prince Spagetti "Wednesday is Prince Spaghetti Day"
Railroad Picture Archives (as of 10-Apr-2020)
Go to "By Railroad", then "Fallen Flags", then "BM" Boston & Maine section
Then "Rolling Stock Roster" → "Photographed" link, then page thru for car number
BM 5825 5825 1990-08-19 Y X p BM G G N N 2H N N original original
Fallen Flags and Other Railroad Photos (as of 15-Apr-2020)
Scroll down to the "B" section, click on the "Boston & Maine (B&M)" link
Then scroll down to find the photo. The "Page" column has the "Link" text listed
LO 5825 5825 1990-08-17 Y p BM G G N N 2H N N original Same as Railroad Picture Archives photo?
LO 5826 5826 1985-08-10 Y X BM G G N N 2H N N N original
LO 5839 5839 1984-06-21 Y X BM G G N N 2H N N N original
Tangent Scale Models
Has 3 prototype photos
5846 1983 Y X B BM R R N Y 2H N N N Reporting marks repainted
5839 1980s Y X A BM R R N Y 2H N N N Reporting marks repainted
5830 1988 Y X A BM R R N Y 2H N N N Reporting marks repainted
Tangent Scale Models
Has 1 prototype photo
5835 1984 Y X BM G G N N 3 N N N Prince Spagetti

Page	Car #	Photo Date yr-mo-day		Visible?	Markings	Notes

*Don Clerke inserts into B&MRRHS Bulletin*
i 12 photo 36	5826			X	A?	BM	G	G	N	N	2H	N	N	N	original
*B&MRRHS Modelers Notes* Issue No. included in "page" column
No 18 p7	5841? ?Mis-identified as 3841?	1985		X	B						2H						Very dark print, hard to see.
B&MRRHS photos
	5835		Y	X	B	BM	G	G	N	N	3	N	N	N	Prince Spagetti	"Wednesday is Prince Spaghetti Day"
Railroad Picture Archives (as of 10-Apr-2020) Go to "By Railroad", then "Fallen Flags", then "BM" Boston & Maine section Then "Rolling Stock Roster" → "Photographed" link, then page thru for car number
BM 5825	5825	1990-08-19	Y	X	p	BM	G	G	N	N	2H	N	N		original	original
Fallen Flags and Other Railroad Photos (as of 15-Apr-2020) Scroll down to the "B" section, click on the "Boston & Maine (B&M)" link Then scroll down to find the photo. The "Page" column has the "Link" text listed
LO 5825	5825	1990-08-17	Y	p		BM	G	G	N	N	2H	N	N		original		Same as Railroad Picture Archives photo?
LO 5826	5826	1985-08-10	Y	X		BM	G	G	N	N	2H	N	N	N	original
LO 5839	5839	1984-06-21	Y	X		BM	G	G	N	N	2H	N	N	N	original
Tangent Scale Models Has 3 prototype photos
	5846	1983	Y	X	B	BM	R	R	N	Y	2H	N	N	N			Reporting marks repainted
	5839	1980s	Y	X	A	BM	R	R	N	Y	2H	N	N	N			Reporting marks repainted
	5830	1988	Y	X	A	BM	R	R	N	Y	2H	N	N	N			Reporting marks repainted
Tangent Scale Models Has 1 prototype photo
	5835	1984	Y	X		BM	G	G	N	N	3	N	N	N	Prince Spagetti

Renumberings/Conversions/Dispositions

Models

Scale Manufacturer Stock number Car number Paint scheme Notes
HO Walthers ? ? ? Produced in the mid 1980s. I'm not sure if ever factory painted for B&M
B&MRRHS did some custom decorated cars for the B&M (including "Prince Spaghetti")
HO Tangent 16038-01 5830 plain gray released ?2019?, still available Dec, 2020
(See links in "Photos" section for Tangent's web site)
HO Tangent 16038-02 5839 plain gray released ?2019?, "Out of stock" Dec, 2020
HO Tangent 16038-03 5846 plain gray released ?2019?, "Out of stock" Dec, 2020
HO Tangent 16039-01 5835 "Prince Spaghetti" released ?2019?, "Out of stock" Dec, 2020
N Delaware Valley [Freight Car Co?] ? ? unknown produced circa 1990. Unknown accuracy. Unknown if they ever made decorated any for the B&M

Scale Trains also has a 4180 cu ft Airslide. Most decorations sold out, one still available Dec 2020. Unknown accuracy for B&M cars.
Available in both "Rivet Counter" and "Operator" lines.

Scale	Manufacturer	Stock number	Car number	Paint scheme	Notes
HO	Walthers	?	?	?	Produced in the mid 1980s. I'm not sure if ever factory painted for B&M B&MRRHS did some custom decorated cars for the B&M (including "Prince Spaghetti")
HO	Tangent	16038-01	5830	plain gray	released ?2019?, still available Dec, 2020 (See links in "Photos" section for Tangent's web site)
HO	Tangent	16038-02	5839	plain gray	released ?2019?, "Out of stock" Dec, 2020
HO	Tangent	16038-03	5846	plain gray	released ?2019?, "Out of stock" Dec, 2020
HO	Tangent	16039-01	5835	"Prince Spaghetti"	released ?2019?, "Out of stock" Dec, 2020
N	Delaware Valley [Freight Car Co?]	?	?	unknown	produced circa 1990. Unknown accuracy. Unknown if they ever made decorated any for the B&M

Revision History

File History for THIS page
Date Who Description
31-Dec-2019 KG Akerboom Initial release
17-Mar-2020 KG Akerboom Standardized Don Clerke "source" link
29-Mar-2020 KG Akerboom Added data from 19 more ORERs
04-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Re-did references/photos section
16-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Added more web sites: B&MRRHS Flickr, Fallen Flags, NMRA Archives, Earl Tuson. Also Scott Whitney (NMRO) CDs
23-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Updated per B&MRRHS Modeler's Notes #39
05-May-2020 KG Akerboom Moved ORER notes into separate section
07-Jul-2020 KG Akerboom Added Eric Neubauer - General American Car Production List - 4180 and 4566 c.f. (Dec. 2015 "Car of the month") data
09-Jul-2020 KG Akerboom Added Tangent Models photos
21-Jul-2020 KG Akerboom "Photos" table - changed "vertical" text to PNG of "sideways" text; added "Markings" columns
05-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added Eric Neubauer data
07- thru
16-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added ORER data (History only, not dims or notes yet) for 63 more registers, courtesy of James Kinkaid
12-Dec-2020 KG Akerboom Added model info
28-Dec-2020 KG Akerboom Added Delaware Valley model info
24-Jan-2021 KG Akerboom Added "NOT a builder's photo"
05-Feb-2022 KG Akerboom Added Mike Clements Collection info
13-Feb-2022 KG Akerboom updated C&O routing for 5821
29-Oct-2022 KG Akerboom Updated per [almost] complete ORER data
04-Jan-2023 KG Akerboom Fixed headers and footers...hopefully

File History for THIS page
Date	Who	Description
31-Dec-2019	KG Akerboom	Initial release
17-Mar-2020	KG Akerboom	Standardized Don Clerke "source" link
29-Mar-2020	KG Akerboom	Added data from 19 more ORERs
04-Apr-2020	KG Akerboom	Re-did references/photos section
16-Apr-2020	KG Akerboom	Added more web sites: B&MRRHS Flickr, Fallen Flags, NMRA Archives, Earl Tuson. Also Scott Whitney (NMRO) CDs
23-Apr-2020	KG Akerboom	Updated per B&MRRHS Modeler's Notes #39
05-May-2020	KG Akerboom	Moved ORER notes into separate section
07-Jul-2020	KG Akerboom	Added Eric Neubauer - General American Car Production List - 4180 and 4566 c.f. (Dec. 2015 "Car of the month") data
09-Jul-2020	KG Akerboom	Added Tangent Models photos
21-Jul-2020	KG Akerboom	"Photos" table - changed "vertical" text to PNG of "sideways" text; added "Markings" columns
05-Aug-2020	KG Akerboom	Added Eric Neubauer data
07- thru 16-Aug-2020	KG Akerboom	Added ORER data (History only, not dims or notes yet) for 63 more registers, courtesy of James Kinkaid
12-Dec-2020	KG Akerboom	Added model info
28-Dec-2020	KG Akerboom	Added Delaware Valley model info
24-Jan-2021	KG Akerboom	Added "NOT a builder's photo"
05-Feb-2022	KG Akerboom	Added Mike Clements Collection info
13-Feb-2022	KG Akerboom	updated C&O routing for 5821
29-Oct-2022	KG Akerboom	Updated per [almost] complete ORER data
04-Jan-2023	KG Akerboom	Fixed headers and footers...hopefully

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