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From Eric Neubauer - A History of the Center Flow
Spec Value Builder ACF (Huntington, WV) Builder Numbers 11385-11839 (includes other cars) Car Numbers Erie Lackawanna: 21400-21454 (55 cars)
To: D&H 3401-3454 (not contiguous) (54 cars) in 1976
FJC #3 has cars sold to D&H 4/1976
To: B&M 3401-3454 (not contiguous) (29 cars per EH, 39 cars per ORER) 1988-1989
(more in 1996? - see 3420 and 3421 series ORER data)Quantity see above Build Date 07-1966 AAR class LO Lt Weight 62600 (after reweigh) Description ACF Center Flow® CF4460, phase 1 (per Eric's designations) except:
phase 2 side sill
phase 6a sill step type
phase 1 side plate type
phase 4 ladder attachment typeCubic Cap'y 4460 Cu. Ft. Hatches One continuous hatch, 3 pressed steel covers Running boards Apex Tri-Lok? Outlet 5044 (fixed rack gravity, 32 bolt, Enterprise equipment) Misc Vibrator attachment;
Roping staples;
side plate and sheet notched to clear ladder (at right end of car side).Air Brake truck mounted brake cylinders Brake Gear 60" draft arm (from truck center plate to strikers)
ORER Size Data Description 10/1988 7/1989 AAR Mechanical Designation LO LO Inside
DimensionsLength 49'-9" Width 10'-7" Height Outside
DimensionsLength 53'-1" 53'-1" Width At Eaves or top of sides or platform 8'-4" 8'-4" Extreme Width 10'-8" 10'-8" Height
from
RailTo Extreme Width 8'-3" 8'-3" To Eaves or top of sides or platform 14'-8" 14'-8" To Top of Running Board To Extreme Height 15'-1" 15'-1" Door - Side
openingWidth Height Capacity Cu Ft. Level Full 4500 4500 Pounds 200000 200000
ORER History ORER Date
(Year-Mo.)Car
Numbers# of
CarsDescription 1988 - 10 3401-3419 8 Covered Hopper 1989 - 01 " 12 " 1989 - 04 (same) 1989 - 07 (same) 1989 - 10 (same) 1990 - 01 (same) 1990 - 04 (same) 1990 - 07 (same) 1990 - 10 (same) 1991 - 01 (same) 1991 - 04 (same) 1991 - 07 (same) 1991 - 10 (same) 1992 - 01 (same) 1992 - 04 (same) 1992 - 07 (same) 1992 - 10 (same) 1993 - 01 (same) 1993 - 04 (same) 1993 - 07 (same) 1993 - 10 (same) 1994 - 01 (same) 1994 - 04 (same) 1994 - 07 (same) 1994 - 10 (same) 1995 - 01 (same) 1995 - 04 (same) 1995 - 07 (same) 1995 - 10 (same) 1996 - 01 (same) 1996 - 04 (same) 1996 - 07 " 15 " 1996 - 10 (same) 3 classes (3401-3419; 3420; 3421-3450) combined 1997 - 01 3401-3449 39 " 1997 - 04 (same) 1997 - 07 (same) 1997 - 10 (same) 1998 - 01 (same) 1998 - 04 (same) 1998 - 07 (same) 1998 - 10 (same) 1999 - 01 (same) 1999 - 04 (same) 1999 - 07 (same) 1999 - 10 (same) 2000 - 01 " 1 " 2000 - 04 Not listed
- From photos, looks like ex-D&H cars. As they just painted over the railroad part of the reporting marks, I'm assuming they were the same number series on the D&H
- From "Fallen Flags" web site - ex Erie Lackawanna / D&H
- per B&MRRHS Modeler's Notes #39
Built 1966, ex-D&H
The STB (and ICC earlier) has records about car leases. For this car series, the following are available (copied from The STB web site)
- 15016 01-Aug-1986 - Security agreement, including following cars from B&M and D&H
Indicates the MEC and B&M have clear title to the following equipment
[locomotives, and cars not in this B&M car series have been omitted for brevity]
- 140 covered hoppers bearing the following D&H numbers (all numbers are inclusive):
3400-3401
3403-3428
3430-3440
3443-3451
12101-12121
12123-12146
12148-12152
12154-12156
12158
12160-12171
12173-12192
12194
12196-12200- 15017 01-Aug-1986 - same as 15016 above?
- 15017A 24-Nov-1986 - termination of security agreement 15017 [not sure what happened to 15016]
- 15112 01-Oct-1986 - Lease agreement - for same list of cars as above with following modifications
[locomotives, and cars not in this B&M car series have been omitted for brevity]
- 3400-3451: Listed as being built by ACF in 1966 (100 ton 4460 cu. ft. covered hoppers)
Of note to modelers, the following statement (pp 12-13 of PDF):
Lessee shall, at lessee's expense, affix to each item of equipment a plate, sign, or other form of notice printed in contrasting colors upon each side of each item of equipment in letters not less than 1 inch in height reading as follows:Leased and subject to a security interest recorded with the ICC- 15112-A 04-Dec-1986 - ?more or less same as above?
- 15112-B 10-Oct-1990 - amended and restated lease agreement
Equipment list reduced to just the following
[locomotives, and cars not in this B&M car series have been omitted for brevity]
- 38 4460 cu. ft. covered hoppers :
3401
3403-3409
3411-3413
3415-3416
3419-3422
3424
3426-3428
3430-3440
3443-3444
3446-3447
3449-3450Of note to modelers, the following statement (p 15 of PDF):
each side of each unit of equipment ... the legend:Ownership subject to a security agreement filed with the Interstate Commerce Commission- 15112-C 23-Oct-1990 - lease termination
Equipment per 15112-B- 15113 01-Oct-1986 - Lease(?), same cars as 15112
- 17114 10-Dec-1990 - registration of security interest in the following B&M Equipment
Locomotives and misc. equipment omitted
BM cars not of this cars series are also omitted here for brevity - see those car series for their cars covered by this recording (700, 800, 3200, 3300, 3350, 79000, 80000, 300800 series boxcars; 5320 series bulkhead flats; 34000 series flats; 5200, 5400, 5520, 5701, 5750, 5800, 5810, 5820 series covered hoppers; 10000, 11000, 1001, 1279 series hoppers; 9000 series gondolas, Autoracks)
Number Type of Equipment A.A.R. Mech
DesignationIdentifying
MarksRoad Numbers
(inclusive)1 Covered Hopper LO-C113 BM 3401 7 Covered Hoppers LO-C113 BM 3403-3409 3 Covered Hoppers LO-C113 BM 3411-3413 2 Covered Hoppers LO-C113 BM 3415-3416 4 Covered Hoppers LO-C113 BM 3419-3422 1 Covered Hopper LO-C113 BM 3424 3 Covered Hoppers LO-C113 BM 3426-3428 11 Covered Hoppers LO-C113 BM 3430-3440 2 Covered Hoppers LO-C113 BM 3443-3444 2 Covered Hoppers LO-C113 BM 3446-3447 2 Covered Hoppers LO-C113 BM 3449-3450 - 17114A 05-May-1992 - Amendments to security agreement (no equipment listed)
- 17114B 04-Jan-1996 - release of Lien
- 19336 31-Mar-1995 - equipment sale and (new) lien
Equipment list (at least freight cars) same as in 15112-B above- 19337 31-Mar-1995 - same as 19336 above(?) (at least no change in equipment list)
- 19749 05-Dec-1995 - Equipment lien
Equipment list (at least freight cars) same as in 15112-B above- 19749A 18-Mar-1996 - release from Lien
- 19805-F 31-Oct-1997 - partial release from Lien (note cars are now new reporting marks)
Car Number Original Car Number SIRX442770 BM 3401 SIRX442771 BM 3403 SIRX442772 BM 3404 SIRX442773 BM 3405 SIRX442774 BM 3406 SIRX442775 BM 3407 SIRX442776 BM 3408 SIRX442777 BM 3409 SIRX442778 BM 3411 SIRX442779 BM 3412 SIRX442780 BM 3413 SIRX442781 BM 3414 SIRX442782 BM 3415 SIRX442783 BM 3416 SIRX442784 BM 3419 SIRX442785 BM 3420 SIRX442786 BM 3421 SIRX442787 BM 3422 SIRX442788 BM 3424 SIRX442789 BM 3426 SIRX442791 BM 3428 SIRX442792 BM 3430 SIRX442793 BM 3431 SIRX442794 BM 3432 SIRX442795 BM 3433 SIRX442796 BM 3434 SIRX442797 BM 3435 SIRX442798 BM 3436 SIRX442799 BM 3437 SIRX442800 BM 3438 SIRX442801 BM 3439 SIRX442802 BM 3440 SIRX442803 BM 3443 SIRX442804 BM 3444 SIRX442805 BM 3445 SIRX442806 BM 3446 SIRX442807 BM 3447 SIRX442808 BM 3449
- As renumbered
- "Maroon"-ish. "D&H" reporting marks painted over (black) and lettered (white)
D&H "shield" herald still visibleSomething else is painted over as well - possibly ex-[something else] (before the D&H)?
Page Car # Photo Date
yr-mo-dayVisible? Markings Paint
SchemeHerald Notes ![]()
Railroad Picture Archives (as of 10-Apr-2020)
Go to "By Railroad", then "Fallen Flags", then "BM" Boston & Maine section
Then "Rolling Stock Roster" → "Photographed" link, then page thru for car numberBM 3401 3401 1989-05-01 Y X A B&M G R N N 2H N N N as renumbered They just painted over the "D" and "H" (not the "&"). Note it looks like ACI was removed BM 3404 3404 1995-08-26 Y X BM G R N N 2H N N N as renumbered They painted over the "D&H" (including the "&"). "Erie" (EL?) "diamond" also showing thru Fallen Flags and Other Railroad Photos (as of 15-Apr-2020)
Scroll down to the "B" section, click on the "Boston & Maine (B&M)" link
Then scroll down to find the photo. The "Page" column has the "Link" text listedLO 3401 3401 1989-05-01 B&M G R N N 2H N N N Same photo as "Railroad Picture Archives" LO 3404 3404 1995-08-26 BM G R N N 2H N N N Same photo as "Railroad Picture Archives"
File History for THIS page Date Who Description 05-Jan-2020 KG Akerboom Initial release 29-Mar-2020 KG Akerboom Added data from 19 more ORERs 04-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Re-did references/photos section 15-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Added more web sites: B&MRRHS Flickr, Fallen Flags, NMRA Archives, Earl Tuson. Also Scott Whitney (NMRO) CDs 23-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Updated per B&MRRHS Modeler's Notes #39 05-May-2020 KG Akerboom Moved ORER notes into separate section 21-Jul-2020 KG Akerboom "Photos" table - changed "vertical" text to PNG of "sideways" text; added "Markings" columns 05-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added Eric Neubauer data 07- thru
16-Aug-2020KG Akerboom Added ORER data (History only, not dims or notes yet) for 63 more registers, courtesy of James Kinkaid 25-Oct-2022 KG Akerboom Updated per [almost] complete ORER data 04-Jan-2023 KG Akerboom Fixed headers and footers...hopefully 22-Jan-2025 KG Akerboom Added STB recordations 01-Feb-2025 KG Akerboom Fixed typos 04-Feb-2025 KG Akerboom Fixed STB links 11-Feb-2025 KG Akerboom Added Freight Car Journal #3 info
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