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ORER Size Data - 1903-1910 Dimensions 4/1903 Length 32' Width Height Capacity 30000-40000
ORER Size Data - 1910 - ? Description 6/1910 2/1914 11/1914 M.C.B. Designation FM Inside
DimensionsLength 32' 32' Width 8'-9" 8'-9" Height Outside
DimensionsLength 32' 32' 32' Width At Eaves or top of sides or platform 8' to 8'-9" 8'-9" 8'-9" Extreme Width Height
from
RailTo Extreme Width To Eaves or top of sides or platform To Top of Running Board To Extreme Height Door - Side
openingWidth Height Capacity Cu Ft. Level Full Pounds 30-40000 40000 40000
ORER History ORER Date
(Year-Mo.)Car
Numbers# of
CarsDescription 1903 - 04 25500-25999 489 Flat 1903 - 05 " 483 " 1903 - 06 " 478 " 1903 - 07 " 476 " 1903 - 08 " 472 " 1903 - 09 " 470 " 1903 - 10 " 464 " 1903 - 11 " 459 " 1903 - 12 " 455 " 1904 - 01 " 447 " 1904 - 02 " 444 " 1904 - 03 " 439 " 1904 - 04 " 435 " 1904 - 05 " 434 " 1904 - 06 " 430 " 1904 - 07 " 428 " 1904 - 08 " 424 " 1904 - 09 " 418 " 1904 - 10 (same) 1904 - 11 " 415 " 1904 - 12 " 411 " 1905 - 01 " 408 " 1905 - 02 " 404 " 1905 - 03 (same) 1905 - 04 " 403 " 1905 - 05 " 401 " 1905 - 06 " 395 " 1905 - 07 " 391 " 1905 - 08 " 388 " 1905 - 09 " 386 " 1905 - 10 " 381 " 1905 - 11 " 376 " 1905 - 12 " 372 " 1906 - 01 (same) 1906 - 02 " 366 " 1906 - 03 " 361 " 1906 - 04 25500-26599 " " ‡ note 1906 - 05 " 360 " (incl. ‡ note) 1906 - 06 (same) 1906 - 07 " 359 " (incl. ‡ note) 1906 - 08 (same) (incl. ‡ note) 1906 - 09 " 358 " (incl. ‡ note) 1906 - 10 " 354 " (incl. ‡ note) 1906 - 11 " 350 " (incl. ‡ note) 1906 - 12 " 340? " (incl. ‡ note) 1907 - 01 " 333 " (incl. ‡ note) 1907 - 02 " 327 " (incl. ‡ note) 1907 - 03 " 322 " (incl. ‡ note) 1907 - 04 " 319 " (incl. ‡ note) 1907 - 05 " 308 " (incl. ‡ note) 1907 - 06 " 303 " (incl. ‡ note) 1907 - 07 " 300 " (incl. ‡ note) 1907 - 08 " 290 " (incl. ‡ note) 1907 - 09 " 286 " (incl. ‡ note) 1907 - 10 (same) (incl. ‡ note) 1907 - 11 " 279 " (incl. ‡ note) 1907 - 12 " 275 " (incl. ‡ note) 1908 - 01 (same) (incl. ‡ note) 1908 - 02 " 269 " (incl. ‡ note) 1908 - 03 " 267 " (no ‡ note) 1908 - 04 " 262 " 1908 - 05 " 263 " 1908 - 06 " 262 " 1908 - 07 (same) 1908 - 08 " 258 " 1908 - 09 " (illegible) " 1908 - 10 " 257 " 1908 - 11 " 255 " 1908 - 12 " 253 " 1909 - 01 " 252 " 1909 - 02 (same) 1909 - 03 " 251 " 1909 - 04 " 249 " 1909 - 05 " 246 " 1909 - 06 " 239 " 1909 - 07 (same) 1909 - 08 " 234 " 1909 - 09 " 228 " 1909 - 10 " 230 " 1909 - 11 " 229 " 1909 - 12 " 226 " 1910 - 01 " 224 " 1910 - 02 " 216 " 1910 - 03 " 214 " 1910 - 04 " 213 " 1910 - 05 (same) 1910 - 06 " 212 " 1910 - 07 " 210 " 1910 - 08 " 206 " 1910 - 09 " 203 " 1910 - 10 " 200 " 1910 - 11 " 195 " 1910 - 12 (same) 1911 - 01 " 192 " 1911 - 02 " 187 " 1911 - 03 " 183 " 1911 - 04 " 180 " 1911 - 05 " 175 " 1911 - 06 " 173 " 1911 - 07 " 170 " 1911 - 08 " 168 " 1911 - 09 " 166 " 1911 - 10 " 164 " 1911 - 11 " 162 " 1911 - 12 " 159 " 1912 - 01 " 157 " 1912 - 02 " 150 " 1912 - 03 " 148 " 1912 - 04 " 145 " 1912 - 05 " 141 " 1912 - 06 " 139 " 1912 - 07 " 138 " 1912 - 08 (same) 1912 - 09 (same) 1912 - 10 " 136 " 1912 - 11 " 130 " 1912 - 12 " 126 " 1913 - 01 " 125 " 1913 - 02 " 123 " 1913 - 03 " 121 " 1913 - 04 " 118 " 1913 - 05 " 116 " 1913 - 06 (same) 1913 - 07 " 114 " 1913 - 08 " 108 " 1913 - 09 " 104 " 1913 - 10 " 100 " 1913 - 11 " 97 " 1913 - 12 (same) 1914 - 01 " 92 " 1914 - 02 " 89 " 1914 - 03 " 87 " 1914 - 04 (same) 1914 - 05 (same) 1914 - 06 (same) 1914 - 07 " 84 " 1914 - 08 " 83 " 1914 - 09 " 81 " 1914 - 10 " 77 " 1914 - 11 " 76 " 1914 - 12 (same) 1915 - 01 " 74 " 1915 - 02 " 72 " 1915 - 03 " 71 " 1915 - 04 " 69 " 1915 - 05 (same) 1915 - 06 " 68 " 1915 - 07 " 66 " 1915 - 08 " 65 " 1915 - 09 " 64 " 1915 - 10 " 60 " 1915 - 11 (same) 1915 - 12 " 59 " 1916 - 01 (same) 1916 - 02 " 58 " 1916 - 03 " 56 " 1916 - 04 " 44 " 1916 - 05 (same) 1916 - 06 " 43 " 1916 - 07 " 41 " 1916 - 08 " 39 " 1916 - 09 " 38 " 1916 - 10 " 36 " 1916 - 11 " 32 " 1916 - 12 (same) 1917 - 01 (same) 1917 - 02 " 31 " 1917 - 03 (same) 1917 - 04 " 28 " 1917 - 05 " 22 " 1917 - 06 " 21 " 1917 - 07 (same) 1917 - 08 " 19 " 1917 - 09 " 20 " 1917 - 10 (same) 1917 - 11 " 19 " 1917 - 12 (same) 1918 - 01 (same) 1918 - 02 " 15 " 1918 - 03 (same) 1918 - 04 " 14 " 1918 - 05 (same) 1918 - 06 " 12 " 1918 - 07 " 11 " 1918 - 08 (same) 1918 - 09 (same) 1918 - 10 " 10 " 1918 - 11 (same) 1918 - 12 " 9 " 1919 - 01 25515-26599 " " 1919 - 02 " 8 " 1919 - 03 " 7 " 1919 - 04 (same) 1919 - 05 (same) 1919 - 06 " 6 " 1919 - 07 (same) 1919 - 08 (same) 1919 - 09 " 5 " 1919 - 10 (same) 1919 - 11 (same) 1919 - 12 " 6 " 1920 - 01 (same) 1920 - 02 (same) 1920 - 03 (same) 1920 - 04 (same) 1920 - 05 (same) 1920 - 06 25643-26599 4 " 1920 - 07 (same) 1920 - 08 25711-26599 3 " 1920 - 09 " 2 " 1920 - 10 (same) 1920 - 11 (same) 1920 - 12 (same) 1921 - 01 25711,25874 " " 1921 - 02 (same) 1921 - 03 (same) 1921 - 04 25874 1 " 1921 - 05 " " 1921 - 06 " " 1921 - 07 (same) 1921 - 08 (same) 1921 - 09 (same) 1921 - 10 (same) 1921 - 11 (same) 1921 - 12 (same) 1922 - 01 (same) 1922 - 02 (same) 1922 - 03 (same) 1922 - 04 (same) 1922 - 05 (same) 1922 - 06 (same) 1922 - 07 (same) 1922 - 08 (same) 1922 - 09 (same) 1922 - 10 (same) 1922 - 11 (same) 1922 - 12 (same) 1923 - 01 (same) 1923 - 02 (same) 1923 - 03 (same) 1923 - 04 (same) 1923 - 05 (same) 1923 - 06 (same) 1923 - 07 (same) 1923 - 08 (same) 1923 - 09 (same) 1923 - 10 (same) 1923 - 11 (same) 1923 - 12 (same) 1924 - 01 (same) 1924 - 02 (same) 1924 - 03 (same) 1924 - 04 (same) 1924 - 05 (same) 1924 - 06 (same) 1924 - 07 (same) 1924 - 08 (same) 1924 - 09 (same) 1924 - 10 (same) 1924 - 11 (same) 1924 - 12 (same) 1925 - 01 (same) 1925 - 02 (same) 1925 - 03 (same) 1925 - 04 (same) 1925 - 05 (same) 1925 - 06 (same) 1925 - 07 (same) 1925 - 08 Not listed
‡ note (4/1906 - 2/1908)
A few cars in these series are of different lengths but will be renumbered when they go through the shops.
- This series NEVER gets "*" indicating "Air Brakes" (1902-04 thru 1909-06)
- I believe the cars in this series are a renumbering from the (1893) 25025-26999 series cars.
- B&MRRHS 1900-1907 Freight Car Lettering Book No. 1 (Reprint of B&M lettering diagrams)
Note the "Book page number" below refers to the page number in the B&MRRHS book.
As the B&MRRHS book's pages are NOT numbered, "1" is the first page with an actual diagram! (NOT the title pages or index pages)
"U" = upper diagram on that page, "L" = lower diagramThe "Diagram number" refers to the circled number (lower right corner) in each diagram (the original page number)
Book page # 25 - U B&M Diagram # 47 Diagram Date 1907 Color on Diagram Brown Notes on Diagram Datum 1900 Index 1907 Index Class of car n/a (see 25000 series) Flat Car Length n/a 32' Capacity n/a 30,000-40,000 Car Numbers n/a 25500-25999 Page [original] n/a 47
Source(s) (ID scope is for this web page only) ID Box Folder Folder name Link Title Approx.
Start dateApprox.
End dateA 1 5 Coal Cars 25397-25874 Flat - "A" 1921? 1925?
Data Car Number Disposition
Source IDDate Built Disposition
DateDisposition New Car # 25509 A 1921-05 to 3985 25874 A 1888-08 1925-06 to 3484
For more info on the ICC valuation data, see this web page
"Owning"
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DateBuilder Capy Underframe Body Notes Northern 25515 N(NH)-3 25 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25518 N(NH)-3 26 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25525 N(NH)-3 27 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25536 N(NH)-3 28 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25550 N(NH)-3 71 Flat 1879 Fitchburg 30 wood wood Northern 25553-25554 N(NH)-3 29 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25556 N(NH)-3 30 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25559-25560 N(NH)-3 31 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25570 N(NH)-3 32 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25573 N(NH)-3 33 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25575? N(NH)-3 34 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25584-25585 N(NH)-3 35 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25589 N(NH)-3 36 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25609 N(NH)-3 37 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25635 N(NH)-3 38 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25637-25638 N(NH)-3 39 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25640 N(NH)-3 40 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25643 N(NH)-3 41 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25645 N(NH)-3 42 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25649 N(NH)-3 43 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25651-25652 N(NH)-3 44 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25668 N(NH)-3 45 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25675 N(NH)-3 46 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25677 N(NH)-3 47 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25682 N(NH)-3 48 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25684 N(NH)-3 49 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25690 N(NH)-3 50 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25693 N(NH)-3 51 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25694 N(NH)-3 52 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25711 N(NH)-3 53 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25713-25714 N(NH)-3 54 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25718 N(NH)-3 55 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25720 N(NH)-3 56 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25723-25724 N(NH)-3 57 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25748 N(NH)-3 58 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25751 N(NH)-3 59 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25756 N(NH)-3 72 Flat 1892 Fitchburg 60 wood wood Northern 25762 N(NH)-3 60 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25764 N(NH)-3 61 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25768-25769 N(NH)-3 62 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25777 N(NH)-3 63 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25780 N(NH)-3 64 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25789 N(NH)-3 65 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25796 N(NH)-3 66 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25799 N(NH)-3 67 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25800 N(NH)-3 68 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25806 N(NH)-3 69 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Northern 25808 N(NH)-3 70 Flat 1881-1896 various 40 wood wood Conn River 25817 CR-2 68 Flat pre-1896 [N/A] 40 wood wood Conn River 25829 CR-2 69 Flat 1893 Fitchburg 40 wood wood Conn River 25832 CR-2 70 Flat 1888 Fitchburg 40 wood wood Conn River 25844 CR-2 71 Flat 1888 Conn R 40 wood wood Conn River 25845 CR-2 72 Flat pre-1896 [N/A] 40 wood wood Conn River 25848 CR-2 73 Flat 1883 B&M RR 40 wood wood Conn River 25849 CR-2 74 Flat 1881 Keith 40 wood wood Conn River 25853 CR-2 75 Flat pre-1892 [N/A] 40 wood wood Conn River 25855 CR-2 76 Flat 1881 [N/A] 40 wood wood Conn River 25856 CR-2 77 Flat pre-1886 [N/A] 40 wood wood Conn River 25860 CR-2 78 Flat 1887 Conn R 40 wood wood Conn River 25863 CR-2 79 Flat 1881 B&M RR 40 wood wood Conn River 25864 CR-2 80 Flat pre-1892 [N/A] 40 wood wood Conn River 25868 CR-2 81 Flat 1892 Fitchburg 40 wood wood Conn River 25869 CR-2 82 Flat 1893 Fitchburg 40 wood wood Conn River 25874 CR-2 83 Flat 1888 Fitchburg 40 wood wood Conn River 25875 CR-2 84 Flat pre-1896 [N/A] 40 wood wood Conn River 25876 CR-2 85 Flat 1882 B&M RR 40 wood wood Conn River 25879 CR-2 86 Flat pre-1889 [N/A] 40 wood wood Conn River 25881 CR-2 87 Flat 1883 B&M RR 40 wood wood Conn River 25882 CR-2 88 Flat 1881 Keith 40 wood wood Conn River 25892 CR-2 89 Flat 1891 Fitchburg 40 wood wood Conn River 25894 CR-2 90 Flat pre-1894 [N/A] 40 wood wood Conn River 25903 CR-2 91 Flat pre-1894 Conn R 40 wood wood Conn River 25922 CR-2 92 Flat 1892 Fitchburg 40 wood wood Conn River 25929 CR-2 93 Flat 1892 Fitchburg 40 wood wood Conn River 25977 CR-2 94 Flat 1887 [N/A] 40 wood wood
Page Car # Photo Date
yr-mo-dayVisible? Markings Paint
SchemeHerald Notes Alamy Stock photos
NOTE: This is a "pay" site
Search on "Boston and maine railroad", scroll from there
Title = "Antique c1910 photograph, workers aboard a Boston & Maine flatbed car. SOURCE: ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPH - Image ID: R99Y2C"25531 ca 1910 X p S1& R R N none appears to be a work train
Not sure if this is a "1893" 25025 series car.Nimke, R.W. Connecticut River Railroads and Connections Volume IV: Claremont Branch... Sharp Offset Printing, 1992. ISBN 0-914960-91-3 p62 bottom 25840 Xp p S1& R R N none Note ?KC? brake system, Ledgerwood Ballast unloader - good image! p63 top 25840? Xp p S1& R R N none More of car side visible, but further away from camera so harder to read B&MRRHS "Flickr" page
Above is direct link, Title = "Antique fire engine loaded aboard B&MRR flat car no. 25869, no location, c. 1895"25869 c. 1895 Xp S1& R R N none Air brakes, note variation in stake pockets, arch bar trucks w/external brake shoes B&MRRHS "Flickr" page
Above is direct link, Title = "Antique fire engine loaded aboard B&MRR flat car no. 25869, no location, c1895"25869 c. 1895 X p S1& R R N none 3/4 view of above
File History for THIS page Date Who Description 28-Dec-2019 KG Akerboom Initial release 22-Mar-2020 KG Akerboom Added data from 19 more ORERs 04-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Re-did references/photos section 25-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Added Alamy web site 05-May-2020 KG Akerboom Moved ORER notes into separate section 15-May-2020 KG Akerboom Added data from 4 more ORERs (1911,1919,1921,1931) 28-May-2020 KG Akerboom updated 10/1919 21-Jul-2020 KG Akerboom "Photos" table - changed "vertical" text to PNG of "sideways" text; added "Markings" columns 07- thru
16-Aug-2020KG Akerboom Added ORER data (History only, not dims or notes yet) for 63 more registers, courtesy of James Kinkaid 10-Oct-2020 KG Akerboom Added E. Neubauer ORER data (car counts only, 15 issues) 28-Jan-2021 KG Akerboom Added info from "1900-1907 Freight Car Lettering Diagrams" book 10-Apr-2021 KG Akerboom Added info from 47 more ORERs 1903 thru 1917 24-Oct-2021 KG Akerboom Added car disposition record data 22-Jan-2022 KG Akerboom Added ICC Valuation data 15-Sep-2022 KG Akerboom Updated per [almost] complete ORER data 10-Dec-2022 KG Akerboom Added photo(s)/car listings from Nimke, "Conn. River RRs: Vol IV" 04-Jan-2023 KG Akerboom Fixed headers and footers...hopefully 23-Jun-2023 KG Akerboom Added photos of 25869 22-Jul-2023 KG Akerboom Back-filled missing 1905 data
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