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Index

• Builder's Photo
• Classification Card(s) for series
• Specifications
• ORER data
• ORER Notes
• Discussion, General Notes
• Car Book and/or Car Disposition Data
• ICC Valuation Data
• Paint Schemes
• References
• Photographs
• Renumberings/Conversions/Dispositions
• Modeling
• Revision History of this page

Builder's Photo

Does one exist?

B&M Classification Card(s)

Does one exist?

Specifications From Classification Cards

?

ORER data and numbers

ORER Size Data - 1903-1910

Dimensions	4/1903
Length	32'
Width
Height
Capacity	30000-40000

ORER Size Data - 1910 - ?

Description			6/1910	2/1914	11/1914
M.C.B. Designation					FM
Inside Dimensions	Length			32'	32'
	Width			8'-9"	8'-9"
	Height
Outside Dimensions	Length		32'	32'	32'
	Width	At Eaves or top of sides or platform	8' to 8'-9"	8'-9"	8'-9"
		Extreme Width
	Height from Rail	To Extreme Width
		To Eaves or top of sides or platform
		To Top of Running Board
		To Extreme Height
Door - Side opening	Width
	Height
Capacity	Cu Ft. Level Full
	Pounds		30-40000	40000	40000

ORER History

ORER Date (Year-Mo.)	Car Numbers	# of Cars	Description
1903 - 04	25500-25999	489	Flat
1903 - 05	"	483	"
1903 - 06	"	478	"
1903 - 07	"	476	"
1903 - 08	"	472	"
1903 - 09	"	470	"
1903 - 10	"	464	"
1903 - 11	"	459	"
1903 - 12	"	455	"
1904 - 01	"	447	"
1904 - 02	"	444	"
1904 - 03	"	439	"
1904 - 04	"	435	"
1904 - 05	"	434	"
1904 - 06	"	430	"
1904 - 07	"	428	"
1904 - 08	"	424	"
1904 - 09	"	418	"
1904 - 10	(same)
1904 - 11	"	415	"
1904 - 12	"	411	"
1905 - 01	"	408	"
1905 - 02	"	404	"
1905 - 03	(same)
1905 - 04	"	403	"
1905 - 05	"	401	"
1905 - 06	"	395	"
1905 - 07	"	391	"
1905 - 08	"	388	"
1905 - 09	"	386	"
1905 - 10	"	381	"
1905 - 11	"	376	"
1905 - 12	"	372	"
1906 - 01	(same)
1906 - 02	"	366	"
1906 - 03	"	361	"
1906 - 04	25500-26599	"	" ‡ note
1906 - 05	"	360	" (incl. ‡ note)
1906 - 06	(same)
1906 - 07	"	359	" (incl. ‡ note)
1906 - 08	(same) (incl. ‡ note)
1906 - 09	"	358	" (incl. ‡ note)
1906 - 10	"	354	" (incl. ‡ note)
1906 - 11	"	350	" (incl. ‡ note)
1906 - 12	"	340?	" (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 01	"	333	" (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 02	"	327	" (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 03	"	322	" (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 04	"	319	" (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 05	"	308	" (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 06	"	303	" (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 07	"	300	" (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 08	"	290	" (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 09	"	286	" (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 10	(same) (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 11	"	279	" (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 12	"	275	" (incl. ‡ note)
1908 - 01	(same) (incl. ‡ note)
1908 - 02	"	269	" (incl. ‡ note)
1908 - 03	"	267	" (no ‡ note)
1908 - 04	"	262	"
1908 - 05	"	263	"
1908 - 06	"	262	"
1908 - 07	(same)
1908 - 08	"	258	"
1908 - 09	"	(illegible)	"
1908 - 10	"	257	"
1908 - 11	"	255	"
1908 - 12	"	253	"
1909 - 01	"	252	"
1909 - 02	(same)
1909 - 03	"	251	"
1909 - 04	"	249	"
1909 - 05	"	246	"
1909 - 06	"	239	"
1909 - 07	(same)
1909 - 08	"	234	"
1909 - 09	"	228	"
1909 - 10	"	230	"
1909 - 11	"	229	"
1909 - 12	"	226	"
1910 - 01	"	224	"
1910 - 02	"	216	"
1910 - 03	"	214	"
1910 - 04	"	213	"
1910 - 05	(same)
1910 - 06	"	212	"
1910 - 07	"	210	"
1910 - 08	"	206	"
1910 - 09	"	203	"
1910 - 10	"	200	"
1910 - 11	"	195	"
1910 - 12	(same)
1911 - 01	"	192	"
1911 - 02	"	187	"
1911 - 03	"	183	"
1911 - 04	"	180	"
1911 - 05	"	175	"
1911 - 06	"	173	"
1911 - 07	"	170	"
1911 - 08	"	168	"
1911 - 09	"	166	"
1911 - 10	"	164	"
1911 - 11	"	162	"
1911 - 12	"	159	"
1912 - 01	"	157	"
1912 - 02	"	150	"
1912 - 03	"	148	"
1912 - 04	"	145	"
1912 - 05	"	141	"
1912 - 06	"	139	"
1912 - 07	"	138	"
1912 - 08	(same)
1912 - 09	(same)
1912 - 10	"	136	"
1912 - 11	"	130	"
1912 - 12	"	126	"
1913 - 01	"	125	"
1913 - 02	"	123	"
1913 - 03	"	121	"
1913 - 04	"	118	"
1913 - 05	"	116	"
1913 - 06	(same)
1913 - 07	"	114	"
1913 - 08	"	108	"
1913 - 09	"	104	"
1913 - 10	"	100	"
1913 - 11	"	97	"
1913 - 12	(same)
1914 - 01	"	92	"
1914 - 02	"	89	"
1914 - 03	"	87	"
1914 - 04	(same)
1914 - 05	(same)
1914 - 06	(same)
1914 - 07	"	84	"
1914 - 08	"	83	"
1914 - 09	"	81	"
1914 - 10	"	77	"
1914 - 11	"	76	"
1914 - 12	(same)
1915 - 01	"	74	"
1915 - 02	"	72	"
1915 - 03	"	71	"
1915 - 04	"	69	"
1915 - 05	(same)
1915 - 06	"	68	"
1915 - 07	"	66	"
1915 - 08	"	65	"
1915 - 09	"	64	"
1915 - 10	"	60	"
1915 - 11	(same)
1915 - 12	"	59	"
1916 - 01	(same)
1916 - 02	"	58	"
1916 - 03	"	56	"
1916 - 04	"	44	"
1916 - 05	(same)
1916 - 06	"	43	"
1916 - 07	"	41	"
1916 - 08	"	39	"
1916 - 09	"	38	"
1916 - 10	"	36	"
1916 - 11	"	32	"
1916 - 12	(same)
1917 - 01	(same)
1917 - 02	"	31	"
1917 - 03	(same)
1917 - 04	"	28	"
1917 - 05	"	22	"
1917 - 06	"	21	"
1917 - 07	(same)
1917 - 08	"	19	"
1917 - 09	"	20	"
1917 - 10	(same)
1917 - 11	"	19	"
1917 - 12	(same)
1918 - 01	(same)
1918 - 02	"	15	"
1918 - 03	(same)
1918 - 04	"	14	"
1918 - 05	(same)
1918 - 06	"	12	"
1918 - 07	"	11	"
1918 - 08	(same)
1918 - 09	(same)
1918 - 10	"	10	"
1918 - 11	(same)
1918 - 12	"	9	"
1919 - 01	25515-26599	"	"
1919 - 02	"	8	"
1919 - 03	"	7	"
1919 - 04	(same)
1919 - 05	(same)
1919 - 06	"	6	"
1919 - 07	(same)
1919 - 08	(same)
1919 - 09	"	5	"
1919 - 10	(same)
1919 - 11	(same)
1919 - 12	"	6	"
1920 - 01	(same)
1920 - 02	(same)
1920 - 03	(same)
1920 - 04	(same)
1920 - 05	(same)
1920 - 06	25643-26599	4	"
1920 - 07	(same)
1920 - 08	25711-26599	3	"
1920 - 09	"	2	"
1920 - 10	(same)
1920 - 11	(same)
1920 - 12	(same)
1921 - 01	25711,25874	"	"
1921 - 02	(same)
1921 - 03	(same)
1921 - 04	25874	1	"
1921 - 05	"		"
1921 - 06	"		"
1921 - 07	(same)
1921 - 08	(same)
1921 - 09	(same)
1921 - 10	(same)
1921 - 11	(same)
1921 - 12	(same)
1922 - 01	(same)
1922 - 02	(same)
1922 - 03	(same)
1922 - 04	(same)
1922 - 05	(same)
1922 - 06	(same)
1922 - 07	(same)
1922 - 08	(same)
1922 - 09	(same)
1922 - 10	(same)
1922 - 11	(same)
1922 - 12	(same)
1923 - 01	(same)
1923 - 02	(same)
1923 - 03	(same)
1923 - 04	(same)
1923 - 05	(same)
1923 - 06	(same)
1923 - 07	(same)
1923 - 08	(same)
1923 - 09	(same)
1923 - 10	(same)
1923 - 11	(same)
1923 - 12	(same)
1924 - 01	(same)
1924 - 02	(same)
1924 - 03	(same)
1924 - 04	(same)
1924 - 05	(same)
1924 - 06	(same)
1924 - 07	(same)
1924 - 08	(same)
1924 - 09	(same)
1924 - 10	(same)
1924 - 11	(same)
1924 - 12	(same)
1925 - 01	(same)
1925 - 02	(same)
1925 - 03	(same)
1925 - 04	(same)
1925 - 05	(same)
1925 - 06	(same)
1925 - 07	(same)
1925 - 08	Not listed

ORER Notes

‡ note (4/1906 - 2/1908)

A few cars in these series are of different lengths but will be renumbered when they go through the shops.

Discussion, General Notes

• This series NEVER gets "*" indicating "Air Brakes" (1902-04 thru 1909-06)
• I believe the cars in this series are a renumbering from the (1893) 25025-26999 series cars.
• B&MRRHS 1900-1907 Freight Car Lettering Book No. 1 (Reprint of B&M lettering diagrams)

  Note the "Book page number" below refers to the page number in the B&MRRHS book.
  As the B&MRRHS book's pages are NOT numbered, "1" is the first page with an actual diagram! (NOT the title pages or index pages)
  "U" = upper diagram on that page, "L" = lower diagram

  The "Diagram number" refers to the circled number (lower right corner) in each diagram (the original page number)

  Book page #	25 - U
  B&M Diagram #	47
  Diagram Date	1907
  Color on Diagram	Brown
  Notes on Diagram
  Datum	1900 Index	1907 Index
  Class of car	n/a (see 25000 series)	Flat Car
  Length	n/a	32'
  Capacity	n/a	30,000-40,000
  Car Numbers	n/a	25500-25999
  Page [original]	n/a	47

Car Book and/or Car Disposition Data

Car Disposition Records

Source(s) (ID scope is for this web page only)
ID	Box	Folder	Folder name	Link Title	Approx. Start date	Approx. End date
A	1	5	Coal Cars	25397-25874 Flat - "A"	1921?	1925?

Data
Car Number	Disposition Source ID	Date Built	Disposition Date	Disposition	New Car #
25509	A		1921-05	to	3985
25874	A	1888-08	1925-06	to	3484

ICC Valuation Data (circa 1914)

For more info on the ICC valuation data, see this web page

"Owning" RR	Car # / Range	Val Sheet #	Index on Page	Car Type	Built Date	Builder	Capy	Underframe	Body	Notes
Northern	25515	N(NH)-3	25	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25518	N(NH)-3	26	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25525	N(NH)-3	27	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25536	N(NH)-3	28	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25550	N(NH)-3	71	Flat	1879	Fitchburg	30	wood	wood
Northern	25553-25554	N(NH)-3	29	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25556	N(NH)-3	30	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25559-25560	N(NH)-3	31	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25570	N(NH)-3	32	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25573	N(NH)-3	33	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25575?	N(NH)-3	34	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25584-25585	N(NH)-3	35	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25589	N(NH)-3	36	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25609	N(NH)-3	37	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25635	N(NH)-3	38	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25637-25638	N(NH)-3	39	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25640	N(NH)-3	40	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25643	N(NH)-3	41	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25645	N(NH)-3	42	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25649	N(NH)-3	43	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25651-25652	N(NH)-3	44	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25668	N(NH)-3	45	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25675	N(NH)-3	46	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25677	N(NH)-3	47	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25682	N(NH)-3	48	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25684	N(NH)-3	49	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25690	N(NH)-3	50	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25693	N(NH)-3	51	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25694	N(NH)-3	52	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25711	N(NH)-3	53	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25713-25714	N(NH)-3	54	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25718	N(NH)-3	55	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25720	N(NH)-3	56	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25723-25724	N(NH)-3	57	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25748	N(NH)-3	58	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25751	N(NH)-3	59	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25756	N(NH)-3	72	Flat	1892	Fitchburg	60	wood	wood
Northern	25762	N(NH)-3	60	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25764	N(NH)-3	61	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25768-25769	N(NH)-3	62	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25777	N(NH)-3	63	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25780	N(NH)-3	64	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25789	N(NH)-3	65	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25796	N(NH)-3	66	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25799	N(NH)-3	67	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25800	N(NH)-3	68	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25806	N(NH)-3	69	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Northern	25808	N(NH)-3	70	Flat	1881-1896	various	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25817	CR-2	68	Flat	pre-1896	[N/A]	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25829	CR-2	69	Flat	1893	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25832	CR-2	70	Flat	1888	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25844	CR-2	71	Flat	1888	Conn R	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25845	CR-2	72	Flat	pre-1896	[N/A]	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25848	CR-2	73	Flat	1883	B&M RR	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25849	CR-2	74	Flat	1881	Keith	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25853	CR-2	75	Flat	pre-1892	[N/A]	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25855	CR-2	76	Flat	1881	[N/A]	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25856	CR-2	77	Flat	pre-1886	[N/A]	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25860	CR-2	78	Flat	1887	Conn R	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25863	CR-2	79	Flat	1881	B&M RR	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25864	CR-2	80	Flat	pre-1892	[N/A]	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25868	CR-2	81	Flat	1892	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25869	CR-2	82	Flat	1893	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25874	CR-2	83	Flat	1888	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25875	CR-2	84	Flat	pre-1896	[N/A]	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25876	CR-2	85	Flat	1882	B&M RR	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25879	CR-2	86	Flat	pre-1889	[N/A]	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25881	CR-2	87	Flat	1883	B&M RR	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25882	CR-2	88	Flat	1881	Keith	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25892	CR-2	89	Flat	1891	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25894	CR-2	90	Flat	pre-1894	[N/A]	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25903	CR-2	91	Flat	pre-1894	Conn R	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25922	CR-2	92	Flat	1892	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25929	CR-2	93	Flat	1892	Fitchburg	40	wood	wood
Conn River	25977	CR-2	94	Flat	1887	[N/A]	40	wood	wood

Paint Schemes

References or other data

• Magazine/Book article(s)

Photographs

Page	Car #	Photo Date yr-mo-day		Visible?				Markings				Paint Scheme	Herald	Notes
Alamy Stock photos NOTE: This is a "pay" site Search on "Boston and maine railroad", scroll from there Title = "Antique c1910 photograph, workers aboard a Boston & Maine flatbed car. SOURCE: ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPH - Image ID: R99Y2C"
	25531	ca 1910		X	p			S1&	R	R	N		none	appears to be a work train Not sure if this is a "1893" 25025 series car.
Nimke, R.W. Connecticut River Railroads and Connections Volume IV: Claremont Branch... Sharp Offset Printing, 1992. ISBN 0-914960-91-3
p62 bottom	25840			Xp		p		S1&	R	R	N		none	Note ?KC? brake system, Ledgerwood Ballast unloader - good image!
p63 top	25840?			Xp		p		S1&	R	R	N		none	More of car side visible, but further away from camera so harder to read
B&MRRHS "Flickr" page Above is direct link, Title = "Antique fire engine loaded aboard B&MRR flat car no. 25869, no location, c. 1895"
	25869	c. 1895		Xp				S1&	R	R	N		none	Air brakes, note variation in stake pockets, arch bar trucks w/external brake shoes
B&MRRHS "Flickr" page Above is direct link, Title = "Antique fire engine loaded aboard B&MRR flat car no. 25869, no location, c1895"
	25869	c. 1895		X	p			S1&	R	R	N		none	3/4 view of above

Renumberings/Conversions/Dispositions

Models

Revision History

File History for THIS page

Date	Who	Description
28-Dec-2019	KG Akerboom	Initial release
22-Mar-2020	KG Akerboom	Added data from 19 more ORERs
04-Apr-2020	KG Akerboom	Re-did references/photos section
25-Apr-2020	KG Akerboom	Added Alamy web site
05-May-2020	KG Akerboom	Moved ORER notes into separate section
15-May-2020	KG Akerboom	Added data from 4 more ORERs (1911,1919,1921,1931)
28-May-2020	KG Akerboom	updated 10/1919
21-Jul-2020	KG Akerboom	"Photos" table - changed "vertical" text to PNG of "sideways" text; added "Markings" columns
07- thru 16-Aug-2020	KG Akerboom	Added ORER data (History only, not dims or notes yet) for 63 more registers, courtesy of James Kinkaid
10-Oct-2020	KG Akerboom	Added E. Neubauer ORER data (car counts only, 15 issues)
28-Jan-2021	KG Akerboom	Added info from "1900-1907 Freight Car Lettering Diagrams" book
10-Apr-2021	KG Akerboom	Added info from 47 more ORERs 1903 thru 1917
24-Oct-2021	KG Akerboom	Added car disposition record data
22-Jan-2022	KG Akerboom	Added ICC Valuation data
15-Sep-2022	KG Akerboom	Updated per [almost] complete ORER data
10-Dec-2022	KG Akerboom	Added photo(s)/car listings from Nimke, "Conn. River RRs: Vol IV"
04-Jan-2023	KG Akerboom	Fixed headers and footers...hopefully
23-Jun-2023	KG Akerboom	Added photos of 25869
22-Jul-2023	KG Akerboom	Back-filled missing 1905 data