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Index

Builder's Photo

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B&M Classification Card(s)

Does one exist?

Specifications From Classification Cards

?

ORER data and numbers

ORER Size Data - 1903-1910
Dimensions 4/1903
Length 28'-31'
Width
Height
Capacity 30000-40000

ORER Size Data
Description 6/1910 2/1914 3/1914
(Flats only)
4/1914
(Flats only)
11/1914
(Flats only)
M.C.B. Designation FM
Inside
Dimensions
Length 28-31' 30' 30' 30'
Width 8'-8" 8'-8" 8'-8" 8'-8"
Height 7'-10" [typo?] (1)
Outside
Dimensions
Length 28-31' 28-31' 30' 30' 30'
Width At Eaves or top of sides or platform 8' to 8'-8" 8'-8" 8'-8" 8'-8" 8'-8"
Extreme Width
Height
from
Rail
To Extreme Width
To Eaves or top of sides or platform
To Top of Running Board
To Extreme Height
Door - Side
opening
Width
Height
Capacity Cu Ft. Level Full
Pounds 30 to 40000 40000 40000 40000 40000


(1) - probably a typo, the inside height should ONLY apply to the "wood rack" variants in this series (as shown, this was later "corrected")

ORER History
ORER Date
(Year-Mo.)
Car
Numbers
# of
Cars
Description
1903 - 04 25000-25499 416 Flat
1903 - 05 " 413 "
1903 - 06 " 409 "
1903 - 07 " 398 "
1903 - 08 " 395 "
1903 - 09 " 391 "
1903 - 10 " 389 "
1903 - 11 " 388 "
1903 - 12 " 382 "
1904 - 01 " 378 "
1904 - 02 " 376 "
1904 - 03 " 368 "
1904 - 04 " 366 "
1904 - 05 " 367 "
1904 - 06 " 365 "
1904 - 07 " 360 "
1904 - 08 " 354 "
1904 - 09 " 352 "
1904 - 10 " 348 "
1904 - 11 " 344 "
1904 - 12 " 339 "
1905 - 01 " 335 "
1905 - 02 " 352 "
1905 - 03 " 328 "
1905 - 04 " 327 "
1905 - 05 " 326 "
1905 - 06 " 320 "
1905 - 07 " 315 "
1905 - 08 " 309 "
1905 - 09 " 300 "
1905 - 10 " 295 "
1905 - 11 " 293 "
1905 - 12 " 292 "
1906 - 01 (same)
1906 - 02 " 287 "
1906 - 03 " 285 "
1906 - 04 " 281 " ‡ note
1906 - 05 " 279 " (incl. ‡ note)
1906 - 06 (same) (incl. ‡ note)
1906 - 07 " 275 " (incl. ‡ note)
1906 - 08 " " (incl. ‡ note)
1906 - 09 " 261 " (incl. ‡ note)
1906 - 10 " 256 " (incl. ‡ note)
1906 - 11 " 255 " (incl. ‡ note)
1906 - 12 " 253 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 01 " 252 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 02 " 245 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 03 " 239 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 04 " 235 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 05 " 231 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 06 " 224 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 07 " 221 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 08 " 218 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 09 " 215 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 10 (same) (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 11 " 209 " (incl. ‡ note)
1907 - 12 " 206 " (incl. ‡ note)
1908 - 01 " 204 " (incl. ‡ note)
1908 - 02 " 202 " (incl. ‡ note)
1908 - 03 " 200 " (no ‡ note)
1908 - 04 " 197 "
1908 - 05 " 195 "
1908 - 06 " 193 "
1908 - 07 " 191 "
1908 - 08 (same)
1908 - 09 " 190 "
1908 - 10 " 186 "
1908 - 11 " 185 "
1908 - 12 " 184 "
1909 - 01 " 178 "
1909 - 02 " 175 "
1909 - 03 " 174 "
1909 - 04 " 172 "
1909 - 05 " 171 "
1909 - 06 (same)
1909 - 07 " 158 "
1909 - 08 " 156 "
1909 - 09 (same)
1909 - 10 " 154 "
1909 - 11 (same)
1909 - 12 " 149 "
1910 - 01 (same)
1910 - 02 " 148 "
1910 - 03 " 146 "
1910 - 04 " 145 "
1910 - 05 (same)
1910 - 06 " 143 "
1910 - 07 " 142 "
1910 - 08 " 139 "
1910 - 09 " 136 "
1910 - 10 " 134 "
1910 - 11 " 132 "
1910 - 12 " 130 "
1911 - 01 " 129 "
1911 - 02 " 127 "
1911 - 03 " 124 "
1911 - 04 (same)
1911 - 05 " 122 "
1911 - 06 (same)
1911 - 07 (same)
1911 - 08 " 119 "
1911 - 09 (same)
1911 - 10 (same)
1911 - 11 " 117 "
1911 - 12 " 116 "
1912 - 01 " 114 "
1912 - 02 " 113 "
1912 - 03 (same)
1912 - 04 " 112 "
1912 - 05 " 110 "
1912 - 06 " 109 "
1912 - 07 (same)
1912 - 08 (same)
1912 - 09 " 107 "
1912 - 10 " 105 "
1912 - 11 " 103 "
1912 - 12 (same)
1913 - 01 " 101 "
1913 - 02 " 102 "
1913 - 03 " 100 "
1913 - 04 " 93 "
1913 - 05 (same)
1913 - 06 " 92 "
1913 - 07 " 89 "
1913 - 08 " 87 "
1913 - 09 " 86 "
1913 - 10 " 78 "
1913 - 11 " 74 "
1913 - 12 (same)
1914 - 01 " 71 "
1914 - 02 " 70 "
1914 - 03 25007-25498 35 Wood Racks (ORER note 1)
25007-25498 30 Flat (ORER note 2)
For the rest of this web page, I will be ignoring the wood rack data - see "Misc 25007" series for that data
1914 - 04 (same) (including note 2)
1914 - 05 (same) (including note 2)
1914 - 06 (same) (including note 2)
1914 - 07 (same) (including note 2)
1914 - 08 (same) (including note 2)
1914 - 09 (same) (including note 2)
1914 - 10 (same) (including note 2)
1914 - 11 (same) (including note 2)
1914 - 12 " 29 Flat (ORER note 2)
1915 - 01 " 28 Flat (ORER note 2)
1915 - 02 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 03 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 04 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 05 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 06 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 07 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 08 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 09 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 10 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 11 (same) (including note 2)
1915 - 12 (same) (including note 2)
1916 - 01 (same) (including note 2)
1916 - 02 " 27 " (including note 2)
1916 - 03 " 26 " (including note 2)
1916 - 04 (same) (including note 2)
1916 - 05 " 25 " (including note 2)
1916 - 06 " 23 " (including note 2)
1916 - 07 (same) (including note 2)
1916 - 08 " 22 " (including note 2)
1916 - 09 (same) (including note 2)
1916 - 10 (same) (including note 2)
1916 - 11 (same) (including note 2)
1916 - 12 (same) (including note 2)
1917 - 01 " 21 " (including note 2)
1917 - 02 (same) (including note 2)
1917 - 03 " 20 " (including note 2)
1917 - 04 " 19 " (including note 2)
1917 - 05 " 18 " (including note 2)
1917 - 06 (same) (including note 2)
1917 - 07 " 17 "
1917 - 08 (same) (including note 2)
1917 - 09 " 13 " (including note 2)
1917 - 10 (same) (including note 2)
1917 - 11 (same) (including note 2)
1917 - 12 (same) (including note 2)
1918 - 01 (same) (including note 2)
1918 - 02 (same) (including note 2)
1918 - 03 (same) (including note 2)
1918 - 04 (same) (including note 2)
1918 - 05 (same) (including note 2)
1918 - 06 (same) (including note 2)
1918 - 07 (same) (including note 2)
1918 - 08 (same) (including note 2)
1918 - 09 (same) (including note 2)
1918 - 10 (same) (including note 2)
1918 - 11 (same) (including note 2)
1918 - 12 25016-25498 " " (including note 2)
1919 - 01 25016-25436 " " (including note 2)
1919 - 02 (same) (including note 2)
1919 - 03 (same) (including note 2)
1919 - 04 (same) (including note 2)
1919 - 05 (same) (including note 2)
1919 - 06 (same) (including note 2)
1919 - 07 (same) (including note 2)
1919 - 08 (same) (including note 2)
1919 - 09 (same) (including note 2)
1919 - 10 (same) (including note 2)
1919 - 11 (same) (including note 2)
1919 - 12 " 14 " (including note 2)
1920 - 01 (same) (including note 2)
1920 - 02 (same) (including note 2)
1920 - 03 (same) (including note 2)
1920 - 04 " 13 " (including note 2)
1920 - 05 (same) (including note 2)
1920 - 06 (same) (including note 2)
1920 - 07 (same) (including note 2)
1920 - 08 (same) (including note 2)
1920 - 09 " 11 " (including note 2)
1920 - 10 " 9 " [no note]
1920 - 11 25215-25436 7 "
1920 - 12 25215-25509 8 "
1921 - 01 (same)
1921 - 02 " 7 "
1921 - 03 (same)
1921 - 04 (same)
1921 - 05 " 6 "
1921 - 06 " 5 "
1921 - 07 25215-25436 3 "
1921 - 08 25399,25436 2 "
1921 - 09 (same)
1921 - 10 (same)
1921 - 11 (same)
1921 - 12 (same)
1922 - 01 25436 1 "
1922 - 02 (same)
1922 - 03 (same)
1922 - 04 (same)
1922 - 05 (same)
1922 - 06 (same)
1922 - 07 (same)
1922 - 08 (same)
1922 - 09 (same)
1922 - 10 (same)
1922 - 11 (same)
1922 - 12 (same)
1923 - 01 (same)
1923 - 02 (same)
1923 - 03 (same)
1923 - 04 (same)
1923 - 05 (same)
1923 - 06 (same)
1923 - 07 (same)
1923 - 08 (same)
1923 - 09 (same)
1923 - 10 (same)
1923 - 11 (same)
1923 - 12 (same)
1924 - 01 (same)
1924 - 02 (same)
1924 - 03 (same)
1924 - 04 (same)
1924 - 05 (same)
1924 - 06 (same)
1924 - 07 (same)
1924 - 08 (same)
1924 - 09 (same)
1924 - 10 (same)
1924 - 11 (same)
1924 - 12 (same)
1925 - 01 (same)
1925 - 02 (same)
1925 - 03 (same)
1925 - 04 (same)
1925 - 05 (same)
1925 - 06 (same)
1925 - 07 (same)
1925 - 08 (same)
1925 - 09 (same)
1925 - 10 (same)
1925 - 11 (same)
1925 - 12 Not listed

ORER Notes

‡ note (4/1906 - 2/1908)

A few cars in these series are of different lengths but will be renumbered when they go through the shops.

Note 1 (3/1914)

see 25007-25498 (list of car numbers with wood racks)

Note 2 (3/1914 - [10 or 11]/1920 )

Flat Cars - all are first listed 3/1914
Car # Last Listed
1914 1915 1916 1917 1918 1919 1920 1921 1922+
25022 8
25026 11
25027 2
25055 2
25058 4
25069 3
25088 5
25103 [9 or 10]
25133 11
25147 12
25171 6
25182 8
25215 7
25221 8
25226 8
25235 5
25258 8
25259 3
25268 7
25304 1
25305 by 7/1921
25312 12
25323 by 8/1921
25343 4
25360 12
25381 8
25406 1
25431 5
25436 11/1925
25498 6

Discussion, General Notes

Car Book and/or Car Disposition Data

Acquisition Books (1898 - 1917 only)

Volume number refers original book number
Page numbers refer to numbers on pages in original book, NOT to pages in PDF file(s)
Dates refer to first/last dates expenses were recorded in the acquisition book, NOT to car delivery dates
Car Number(s) Vol PageFirst
Date
Last
Date
Builder $ / Car Notes
25499 2 52 1911-08 1911-09 $271 From Cochrane Chemical Co.
25301 2 65 1912-09 - $225 32', from B [J?] Brown

Car Books (1923-06 thru 1936-10, then 1944-05 thru 1960-03)

Volume number refers original book number
Part number refers to PDF file part as posted on B&MRRHS site
Page numbers refer to pages in PDF file(s) (L/R = Left or Right side of that PDF page)
Car Number(s) Vol PartPageDate Action Location New # Notes
25436 1 3 8 1922-11-11 Destroyed

Car Disposition Records

Source(s) (ID scope is for this web page only)
ID BoxFolderFolder nameLink Title Approx.
Start date
Approx.
End date
A 1 5 Coal Cars 25397-25874 Flat - "A" 1921? 1925?

Data
Car Number Disposition
Source ID
Date Built Disposition
Date
Disposition New Car #
25397 A 1881-05 1921-04 to 3395

ICC Valuation Data (circa 1914)

For more info on the ICC valuation data, see this web page

"Owning"
RR
Car # Val
Sheet #
Index
on Page
Car Type Built
Date
Builder Capy Underframe Body Notes
M&L 25026 [ML-1] 15 Flat 1888 [N/A] 40 wood wood
M&L 25027 [ML-1] 16 Flat pre-1896 [N/A] 40 wood wood
B&M 25055 BM-16 8 Flat 1890-1896 Fitchburg 40-50 wood wood
B&M 25069 BM-16 9 Flat 1890-1896 Fitchburg 40-50 wood wood
B&M 25070 BM-16 10 Flat 1890-1896 Fitchburg 40-50 wood wood
B&M 25088 BM-16 11 Flat 1890-1896 Fitchburg 40-50 wood wood
B&M 25088 BM-16 15 Flat 1888-1892 Conn R. 40 wood wood
B&M 25103 BM-16 12 Flat 1890-1896 Fitchburg 40-50 wood wood
B&M 25133 BM-16 16 Flat 1888-1892 Conn R. 40 wood wood
B&M 25147 BM-16 13 Flat 1890-1896 Fitchburg 40-50 wood wood
B&M 25171 BM-16 14 Flat 1890-1896 Fitchburg 40-50 wood wood
B&L 25221 [BL-3] 22 Flat pre-1892 [N/A] 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25258 [BL-3] 23 Flat pre-1896 Fitchburg 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25259 [BL-3] 24 Flat pre-1886 [N/A] 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25268 [BL-3] 25 Flat 1892 Fitchburg 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25304 [BL-3] 26 Flat 1892 Fitchburg 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25312 [BL-3] 27 Flat pre-1902 [N/A] 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25323 [BL-3] 28 Flat pre-1896 [N/A] 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25343 [BL-3] 29 Flat 1892 Fitchburg 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25360 [BL-3] 30 Flat pre-1890 [N/A] 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25406 [BL-3] 31 Flat 1892 Fitchburg 40 wood [N/A]
B&L 25431 [BL-3] 32 Flat 1895 [N/A] 40 wood [N/A]
B&M 25498 BM-16 17 Flat 1888-1892 Conn R. 40 wood wood

Paint Schemes

References or other data

Photographs

Renumberings/Conversions/Dispositions

Date Quantity New Numbers Description
3/1914 35 25007-25498 Specific cars converted to Wood Racks
Other than 3/1914, these will be covered as a separate series

Models

Revision History

File History for THIS page
Date Who Description
28-Dec-2019 KG Akerboom Initial release
22-Mar-2020 KG Akerboom Added data from 19 more ORERs
04-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Re-did references/photos section
05-May-2020 KG Akerboom Moved ORER notes into separate section
07-May-2020 KG Akerboom Reformatted "Flat car" table
15-May-2020 KG Akerboom Added data from 4 more ORERs (1911,1919,1921,1931)
28-May-2020 KG Akerboom updated 10/1919
21-Jul-2020 KG Akerboom "Photos" table - changed "vertical" text to PNG of "sideways" text; added "Markings" columns
07- thru
16-Aug-2020
KG Akerboom Added ORER data (History only, not dims or notes yet) for 63 more registers, courtesy of James Kinkaid
10-Oct-2020 KG Akerboom Added E. Neubauer ORER data (car counts only, 15 issues)
17-Oct-2020 KG Akerboom Added Car Book Data
28-Jan-2021 KG Akerboom Added info from "1900-1907 Freight Car Lettering Diagrams" book
10-Apr-2021 KG Akerboom Added info from 47 more ORERs 1903 thru 1917
04-Jul-2021 KG Akerboom Reorganized Car Book and/or Car Disposition Data (Car # to 1st column, 2nd/other changes to new rows)
24-Oct-2021 KG Akerboom Added car disposition record data
22-Jan-2022 KG Akerboom Added ICC Valuation data
14-Sep-2022 KG Akerboom Updated per [almost] complete ORER data
04-Jan-2023 KG Akerboom Fixed headers and footers...hopefully
25-Feb-2023 KG Akerboom Fixed link to scanned data (car books)
04-Mar-2023 KG Akerboom Fixed issues in ORER "Note 2"

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