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Builder's Photo

Evans Products Co (SIECO) Photo, James Kinkaid Collection, used with permission (cropped to car) (click on image to see full resolution available)

B&M Classification Card(s)

Does one exist?

Specifications From Eric Neubauer Data

Neubauer, Eric.Evans Products Builder's photographs
and Neubauer, Eric.Evans Products Company Freight Car Roster Notes
Spec Value
Builder SEICO (Atlanta)
Lot # 1226-01 (W.O. 1212)
Car Numbers 78000-78599 (leased)
Quantity 600
Build Date 10-1973 thru 4-1974
AAR class XM
Lt Weight 56,700
Description Leased.
Cubic Cap'y 5077 Cu. Ft.
Roof 9 panels, overhanging eaves, "X" shaped ribs in the panels
Peaked (per B&MRRHS Modelers Notes No 37)
Ends "Inset" Dreadnaught [rib pattern 4-3-1 bottom to top, "Banana taper"]
Sides 14 ribs (per B&MRRHS Modelers Notes No 37)
Doors 6 panel Superior (per builder's photograph, Eric Neubauer)
Youngstown (per B&MRRHS Modelers Notes No 37)
Ladders low (not full height)
Running Boards none
Brake Gear low mount

Seico Boxcar identifying features:
Detail 78000 thru 78356+ 78388 [or earlier] thru 78599
Plate B B
Corner Post Riveted Riveted
Side Plate No Hole No Hole
Side Sill Reinforced, short Reinforced, short
Side Stake 12 regular + 2 "wide" ladder panel
[? not sure what this means, compared to photo]
12 regular + 2 "wide" ladder panel
Sill Step Wide Rectangular Wide Rectangular
Door 10' Superior 10' Superior ?or Youngstown?
End "Inset" Dreadnaught.
Long x-hold support
"Inset" Dreadnaught.
Short x-hold support
Roof 9 oh X
[? not sure what this means]
9 oh X
Cushion? none none

ORER data and numbers

ORER Size Data
Description 11/1973 1/1983 5/1983
AAR Mechanical Designation XM XM XM
Inside
Dimensions
Length 50'-6" 50'-6" 50'-6"
Width 9'-6" 9'-6" 9'-6"
Height 10'-7" 10'-7" 10'-7"
Outside
Dimensions
Length 55'-7" 55'-7" 55'-7"
Width At Eaves or top of sides or platform 10' 10' 10'
Extreme Width 10'-8" 10'-8" 10'-8"
Height
from
Rail
To Extreme Width 5'-6" 5'-6" 5'-6"
To Eaves or top of sides or platform 14' 14' 14'-4"
To Extreme Height 15' 15' 15'
Door - Side
opening
Width 10' 10' 10'
Height 9'-11" 9'-11" 9'-11"
Capacity Cu Ft. Level Full 5100 5075 5075
Pounds 154000 154000 154000

ORER History
ORER Date
(Year-Mo.)
Car
Numbers
# of
Cars
Description
1973 - 11 78000-78599 600 Box, Steel
1974 - 01 (same)
1974 - 04 (same)
1974 - 07 (same)
1974 - 10 " " Box, Steel, 50K [floor loading]
1975 - 01 (same)
1975 - 04 " 599 "
1975 - 07 (same)
1975 - 10 (same)
1976 - 01 (same)
1976 - 04 " 496 [sic ?!] "
1976 - 07 " 598 "
1976 - 10 " 597 "
1977 - 01 " 596 "
1977 - 04 " 595 "
1977 - 07 (same)
1977 - 10 " 594 "
1978 - 01 " 592 "
1978 - 04 (same)
1978 - 07 " 591 "
1978 - 10 " 590 "
1979 - 01 (same)
1979 - 04 " 587 "
1979 - 07 (same)
1979 - 10 (same)
1980 - 01 " 586 "
1980 - 04 (same)
1980 - 07 (same)
1980 - 10 " 585 "
1981 - 01 " 584 "
1981 - 04 " 583 "
1981 - 07 (same)
1981 - 10 (same)
1982 - 01 (same)
1982 - 04 (same)
1982 - 07 " 581 "
1982 - 10 " 580 "
1983 - 01 (same)
1983 - 05 " 581 "
1983 - 07 (same)
1983 - 10 (same)
1984 - 01 (same)
1984 - 04 (same)
1984 - 07 (same)
1984 - 10 (same)
1985 - 01 (same)
1985 - 04 (same)
1985 - 07 (same)
1985 - 10 (same)
1986 - 01 (same)
1986 - 04 (same)
1986 - 07 (same)
1986 - 10 (same)
1987 - 01 (same)
1987 - 04 (same)
1987 - 07 (same)
1987 - 10 78000-78599 577 Box, Steel, 50K
78184,78222,78393,78533 4 Box, Steel [same dim's except capy lbs = …]
1988 - 01 78000-78599 579 Box, Steel, 50K
78393,78533 2 Box, Steel [same dim's except capy lbs = …]
1988 - 04 78000-78599 581 Box, Steel, 50K
1988 - 07 78000-78599 579 Box, Steel, 50K
78502,78587 2 Box, Steel [same dim's except capy lbs = …]
1988 - 10 (same) (both rows)
1989 - 01 78000-78599 581 Box, Steel, 50K
1989 - 04 " 536 "
1989 - 07 " 533 "
1989 - 10 " 503 "
1990 - 01 (same)
1990 - 04 (same)
1990 - 07 (same)
1990 - 10 (same)
1991 - 01 Not listed
1991 - 04
1991 - 07
1991 - 10
1992 - 01
1992 - 04
1992 - 07
1992 - 10 78409-78594 2 Box, Steel
1993 - 01 (same)
1993 - 04 (same)
1993 - 07 (same)
1993 - 10 (same)
1994 - 01 (same)
1994 - 04 (same)
1994 - 07 (same)
1994 - 10 (same)
1995 - 01 (same)
1995 - 04 (same)
1995 - 07 (same)
1995 - 10 (same)
1996 - 01 (same)
1996 - 04 (same)
1996 - 07 (same)
1996 - 10 (same)
1997 - 01 (same)
1997 - 04 (same)
1997 - 07 Not listed

ORER Notes

Discussion, General Notes

Paint Schemes

As delivered
blue body and end, black door and underframe (including fishbelly/side sill). Roof-unpainted/grey/galvanized?. "Medium" intertwined "BM" herald in all-white
Built with low brake wheel, short ladders, no roof walk

References or other data

Photographs

PageCar # Photo Date
yr-mo-day
Visible? MarkingsPaint
Scheme
Herald Notes
Kfoury, Rick. Queen City Rails - Manchester's Railroads 1965-1990 B&MRRHS, 2019. ISBN 978-0-578-45881-6
p96 (top) 78403? 1973-1984 Y X A NYblue small intertwined? very oblique picture. black door
B&MRRHS Bulletin Issue included in "page" column
v III #3 p3 78042 1974 X B BMRRNY1NNNblue original builder's photo
Don Clerke inserts into B&MRRHS Bulletin
i 10 photo 24 78443? X BMRRNY2VINNblue original Number partly cut off. Flatcar obscures underframe
Bob's Photos (photo "number" in "page" column, collection in "Note" column)
FC148 78494 1975-03 Y X B blue original ACI (left of door), COTS
78357 1982-05-09 p ex-H Frye collection. Photo of 5102, but boxcars in background
Note ACI label
Railroad Picture Archives (as of 10-Apr-2020)
Go to "By Railroad", then "Fallen Flags", then "BM" Boston & Maine section
Then "Rolling Stock Roster" → "Photographed" link, then page thru for car number
BM 78044 78044 1989-11-16 Y X BMRRNY2VINNoriginal original ACI left of door
BM 78101 78101 1980-10-18 Y X B BMRRNY2VYNNoriginal original ACI left of door
BM 78116 78116 early 1980s?Y X BMRRNY?INNoriginal original ACI left of door
BM 78239 78239 1977-11-01 Y X B p BMRRNY2VNNNoriginal original ACI left of door
roof partly visible
BM 78359 78359 1980-03-15 Y X ? BMRRNY2VYNNoriginal original ACI left of door
BM 78372 78372 1987-03-06 Y p A BMRRNY N original original ACI left of door, other end of car not visible
BM 78451 78451 1977-10-12 Y p BMRRN N original? original? only left ¼ of car side visible
BM 78526 78526 1978-08-23 Y X BMRRNY2VYNNoriginal original ACI left of door
BM 78535 78535 1976-02-14 Y X BMRRNY2VNNNoriginal original ACI left of door
Fallen Flags and Other Railroad Photos (as of 15-Apr-2020)
Scroll down to the "B" section, click on the "Boston & Maine (B&M)" link
Then scroll down to find the photo. The "Page" column has the "Link" text listed
XM 78042 78042 Y X B BMRRNY1NNN original original ACI left of door, "new"
XM 78047 78047 1976-05 Y X B BMRRNY2VNNN original original ACI left of door, "new"
XM 78066 78066 1974-10 Y X B BMRRNY1NNN original original ACI left of door
XM 78066 78066 1974-10 Y p B original original end detail
XM 78066 78066 1974-10 Y p BMRRNY N original original ACI left of door, only left half of car side
XM 78068 78068 1979-07 Y X BMRRNY1NNN original? original ACI left of door, Blue seems darker, but it may be the slide?
XM 78151 78151 1979-02 Y X B BMRRNY1YNN original original ACI left of door, Door damaged
XM 78173 78173 1974-11 Y X p BMRRNY1NNN original original ACI left of door
XM 78188 78188 1976-11 Y X BMRRNY2VNNN original original ACI left of door
XM 78212 78212 1989-01 Y X BMRRNY2VNNN original original ACI left of door
XM 78236 78236 Y X BMRRNY1YNN original original ACI left of door
XM 78245 78245 1981-03-15 Y X BMRRNY2VINN original original ACI left of door
XM 78382 78382 Y X B BMRRNY2VNNN original original ACI left of door
XM 78539 78539 Y X B BMRRNY2VNNN original original ACI left of door
XM 78584 78584 Y X p BMRRNY2VNNN original original ACI left of door, "new"
XM 78593 78593 Y X B BMRRNY2VNNN original original ACI left of door
Evans Products Builder's photographs
p501 78042 1973-11 Y X B BMRRNY1NNN original original
Rail Car Photos (as of 24-Aug-2020)
May require a login, May require a browser newer than Internet Explorer.
Several ways to get there, I "Search Photos" → "By Reporting Mark"
Scroll down and click the "Search" button to the right of the "BM" reporting marks
Then scroll down to find the photo. The "Page" column has the "Link" text listed
78101 1980-10-18 Y X B BMRRNY2VYNNoriginal original
78359 1980-02-16 Y X B BMRRNY2VYNNoriginal original
78486 1974-05-01 Y X Bp BMRRNY2VNNNoriginal original
Canadian Freight Railcar Gallery (as of 29-Aug-2020)
"American Railroads" → "Boston & Maine"
Then scroll down to find the photo.
BM 78068 1979-07 Y X B BMRRNY1NNNoriginal original Door partially open, load visible
BM 78173 1974-11 Y X p BMRRNY1NNNoriginal original
BM 78338 1979-10 X p BMRRNY2VINNoriginal original
Niagara Rails (as of 30-Aug-2020)
Rosters → Railcars → Expand "B" (menu on left) → BM
Then scroll to find the photo. (mostly seem to be poorer quality images of equivalent "Canadian Freight Railcar Gallery" photos)
78173 Y X p BMRRNY1NNNoriginal original
Box and Freight Cars of North America (as of 30-Aug-2020)
Select the "A-L" link → Select the "B-BM" link → B&M cars are on pp 10-11 (of 11 total)
Images on web are "thumbnails", you may have pay for higher resolution images
78567 1973-02-06 Y X BMRRNY2VNNNoriginal original Title = "BM, Boston & Maine 50' Single Door Boxcar, 78567 February 6th, 1973, Providence Rhode Island"
NERail Photo Archive
or http://photos.nerail.org/ → "By Railroad" → "Boston & Maine" →
Then scroll thru to find the photo "Hillsboro Branch local".
or try: http://photos.nerail.org/s/?p=247504
78069? 1984-09-07 p p One of several photos of this train
NERail Photo Archive
or http://photos.nerail.org/ → "By Railroad" → "Boston & Maine" →
Then scroll thru to find the photo "Westbound.".
or try: http://photos.nerail.org/s/?p=246932
78244? 1977-04 Y p BMR?RNN1?NNN
NERail Photo Archive
or http://photos.nerail.org/ → "By Railroad" → "Boston & Maine" →
Then scroll thru to find the photo "Berlin, NH".
or try: http://photos.nerail.org/s/?p=244811
78158 1974-07-23 p BMGGNY
NERail Photo Archive
or http://photos.nerail.org/ → "By Railroad" → "Boston & Maine" →
Then scroll thru to find the photo "Berlin, NH".
or try: http://photos.nerail.org/s/?p=164668
78158? 1974-07-23 Y p BMGGNYoriginal ?
NERail Photo Archive
or http://photos.nerail.org/ → "By Railroad" → "Boston & Maine" →
Then scroll thru to find the photo "B&M Brakeman on Boxcar".
or try: http://photos.nerail.org/s/?p=41566
78127 1974 Y p B
NERail Photo Archive
or http://photos.nerail.org/ → "By Railroad" → "Boston & Maine" →
Then scroll thru to find the photo "475 in the E. Deerfield Yard".
or try: http://photos.nerail.org/s/?p=84529
1981-07-15 Y p A 2VYNoriginal original
Highball Graphics
N/HO/O scale decals, but they have a couple prototype pictures
Web site doesn't seem to work very well with Internet Explorer, use a newer browser.
From main page, "check" (under "Railroad" list at left) the "Boston & Maine" → "Boston & Maine Blue SIECO 50' Boxcars [N / HO / O] Scale" (scale doesn't matter, they have same photos on all)
?78226? ? Y X B BM NY2VYNNoriginal original Hard to see much in photo (small/grainy)
B&MRRHS Facebook
1976-06 Y X p X BM N original original 2 - 78000 series (or a 78000 and a 30xx or 31xx) car behind the engines (followed by a 77000 series?)
Rail Goat web site (as of 29-Jan-2022)
Possibly same photos as "Railcar photos" above?
78101 1980-10-18 Y X B BMRRNY2VYNNoriginal original
78359 1980-02-16 Y X B BMRRNY2VYNNoriginal original
78486 1974-05-01 Y X Bp BMRRNY2VNNNoriginal originallooks pretty new in photo
Nimke, R.W. Connecticut River Railroads and Connections Volume II: Bellows Falls, Vermont East and West Sharp Offset Printing, 1991. ISBN 0-914960-95-4
p118 bottom 1974-11-09 X Can't see reporting marks, appears to be this series?
Nimke, R.W. Connecticut River Railroads and Connections Volume VI: Wells River - North Sharp Offset Printing, 1993. ISBN 0-914960-95-4
Berlin Insert, photo 6-6911983-07-07 X 2 cars, lettering not legible, assuming this series
Nimke, R.W. Connecticut River Railroads and Connections Volume VII: StJ&LC (part I), MEC Sharp Offset Printing, 1993. ISBN 0-914960-95-4
p182 middle 78018 1982-03-18 p p oblique view of side
https://groups.io/g/MFCL - modern freight car list, thread posted 28-Mar-2023 titled "B&M 78431"
also posted in https://groups.io/g/bbfcl, same date & thread title
initial post78431 1974 Y X B BMRRNY2VNNoriginal originallooks pretty new in photo
https://groups.io/g/bbfcl - baby boomer freight car list, thread posted 28-Mar-2023 titled "B&M 78431", reply by M Clements, 22-Apr-2023
2nd reply3519? 2023-03 Y X BMGGNY2VNNYoriginal originallooks pretty new in photo

Renumberings/Conversions/Dispositions

Date Quantity New Numbers Description
AN 70xx From Rail Goat web site, not sure where he got his data from

Models

Scale Manufacturer Stock number Car number Paint scheme Notes
N Athearn ATH22950 78066 as delivered unknown accuracy. Announced Jan, 2015. Listed "out of stock" on web site Dec 2020
N Athearn ATH22951 78151 as delivered unknown accuracy. Announced Jan, 2015. Listed "out of stock" on web site Dec 2020
N Athearn ATH22952 78584 as delivered unknown accuracy. Announced Jan, 2015. Listed "out of stock" on web site Dec 2020
HO Athearn ATHG69900 78066 as delivered unknown accuracy. Announced Jan, 2015. Listed "out of stock" on web site Dec 2020
HO Athearn ATHG69901 78151 as delivered unknown accuracy. Announced Jan, 2015. Listed "out of stock" on web site Dec 2020
HO Athearn ATHG69902 78584 as delivered unknown accuracy. Announced Jan, 2015. Listed "out of stock" on web site Dec 2020
N Athearn ATH22368 78044 as delivered unknown accuracy. "Pre-order" as of Jul-2021
N Athearn ATH22369 78101 as delivered unknown accuracy. "Pre-order" as of Jul-2021
N Athearn ATH22370 78239 as delivered unknown accuracy. "Pre-order" as of Jul-2021
HO Athearn ATHG26854 78044 as delivered unknown accuracy. "Pre-order" as of Jun-2021
HO Athearn ATHG26855 78101 as delivered unknown accuracy. "Pre-order" as of Jun-2021
HO Athearn ATHG26856 78239 as delivered unknown accuracy. "Pre-order" as of Jun-2021

Revision History

File History for THIS page
Date Who Description
21-Dec-2019 KG Akerboom Initial release
05-Jan-2020 KG Akerboom Updated
17-Mar-2020 KG Akerboom Standardized Don Clerke "source" link
29-Mar-2020 KG Akerboom Added data from 19 more ORERs
01-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Added references
04-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Re-did references/photos section
17-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Added more web sites: B&MRRHS Flickr, Fallen Flags, NMRA Archives, Earl Tuson. Also Scott Whitney (NMRO) CDs
22-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Updated per B&MRRHS Modeler's Notes #39
25-Apr-2020 KG Akerboom Updated per B&MRRHS Modelers Notes No 37
05-May-2020 KG Akerboom Moved ORER notes into separate section
21-Jul-2020 KG Akerboom "Photos" table - changed "vertical" text to PNG of "sideways" text; added "Markings" columns
06-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added Eric Neubauer data
07- thru
16-Aug-2020
KG Akerboom Added ORER data (History only, not dims or notes yet) for 63 more registers, courtesy of James Kinkaid
17-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added builder's photo, courtesy of James Kinkaid
18-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added more Eric Neubauer data
25-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added "Rail Car Photos" web site photos
29-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added "Canadian Freight Railcar Gallery" photos
30-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added "Niagara Rails" photos
30-Aug-2020 KG Akerboom Added "Box and Freight Cars of North America" photos
04-Nov-2020 KG Akerboom Added "NE Rails" photos
12-Dec-2020 KG Akerboom Added model info
23-Dec-2020 KG Akerboom Added photos from Highball Graphics decals site
31-Dec-2020 KG Akerboom Updated misc stuff
07-Mar-2021 KG Akerboom Updated "Box and Freight Cars of North America" photos
12-Mar-2021 KG Akerboom Added NERail photos
13-Mar-2021 KG Akerboom Added B&MRRHS Facebook photos
07-Jul-2021 KG Akerboom Added latest Athearn HO and N scale models
29-Jan-2022 KG Akerboom Added "Rail Goat" web site photos
02-Nov-2022 KG Akerboom Updated per [almost] complete ORER data
04-Dec-2022 KG Akerboom Added photo(s)/car listings from Nimke, "Conn. River RRs: Vol II"
12-Dec-2022 KG Akerboom Added photo(s)/car listings from Nimke, "Conn. River RRs: Vol VI"
13-Dec-2022 KG Akerboom Added photo(s)/car listings from Nimke, "Conn. River RRs: Vol VII"
04-Jan-2023 KG Akerboom Fixed headers and footers...hopefully
29-Mar-2023 KG Akerboom Added mfcl@groups.io photos
23-Apr-2023 KG Akerboom Added bbfcl@groups.io photos

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